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Topic: Using heavier strings on E9th. |
JOZEF SMITH
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 9:08 pm |
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I was thinking of using a .064 in place of the standard .038 or .036 for the standard E 9th. tuning.
I like to have a lower sound of the #10 string.
Did anybody ever experiment with this.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 9:43 pm
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| Are you talking about having a B or some other note a couple octaves lower than the standard 10th string? If you tried to tune that .064 to the regular B note, you would probably cause the string to explode. |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 3:32 am
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| I'm sure there are several guitars out there with an .064 on str. 10, but it's done to have a lo E, for an extended E9. |
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Larry Behm
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Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 4:05 am
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I use a .052 in the tenth position, it is tuned to and E. My B is my 9th string.
Larry Behm |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 2:35 pm
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Charlie and Larry, that was the purpose of my question. I have to assume he is talking about placing a lower note on string 10.
I just don't think it is logical, feasible, or maybe even possible to use a .064 for the B note and have it sound any good, even if he did get it to pitch without breaking. |
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John Bechtel
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 2:51 pm
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Shortly before his untimely passing, John Hughey told me that (I assume because of his E9-Copedent) he had lightened his 7th. & 8th. string guages so that his wound strings were as such:
#7-F# .024w
#8-E .028w
#9-D .034w
#10-B .038w
He said the lighter strings had a better โfeelโ with the rest of the set. _ _ _ Anyway, I would think a .056w or .057w would be more in line for a Lo-E!
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JOZEF SMITH
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WESTMINSTER - CA - USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 3:00 pm
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THANKS GUYS FOR YOUR REPLIES. ACCORDANCE TO JOHN ELY'S STRING GAUGE CHART, HE RCOMMENDS TO USE A .064 STRING FOR B OR C#. SO I THOUGHT, MAYBE I SHOULD TRY IT. IT MAY NOT LAST LONG BEFORE IT TO BREAK.
THANKS ANYWAY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 3:05 pm
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Jozef,
Where can we see this string guage chart? Looks interesting.
If you try the heavy string for the B, just keep your face away from the top of the guitar and out of the "line of fire". |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 3:41 pm
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| I like to have a lower sound of the #10 string. |
What do you mean by a "lower sound"? If you tune it to the normal B tone, it will sound at the same frequency. The harmonics might be a bit different, but the fundamental will be the same. It will only be a "lower" B tone if you tune it an octave or more lower than normal.
What normally goes on the 10th string is .036 or .038 for that particular B tone. I could see putting .064 on for an octave below that - in fact, .068 or .070 is normal for on 12-string universal for that octave-lower 12th string B. I cannot remotely imagine using that for the normal E9 10th string B. I think it would be completely out of balance with the rest of the strings, tonally and tension-wise - that is, if it doesn't just snap in two or, even worse, break the pin holding the string onto the changer (if that's the system holding the strings on your guitar).
In any case, I wouldn't try to tune a .064 up to the normal B tone. |
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Rick Nicklas
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Verona, Mo. (deceased)
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 3:45 pm
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I use an .068 for my low B but it's on a Universal and is an octave lower. Maybe that's the low B you are looking for. 
Edit: Ooops, look's like me and Mr. Mudgett were typing at the same time. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 4:29 pm
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| JOZEF SMITH wrote: |
THANKS GUYS FOR YOUR REPLIES. ACCORDANCE TO JOHN ELY'S STRING GAUGE CHART, HE RCOMMENDS TO USE A .064 STRING FOR B OR C#. SO I THOUGHT, MAYBE I SHOULD TRY IT. IT MAY NOT LAST LONG BEFORE IT TO BREAK.
THANKS ANYWAY FOR YOUR COMMENTS. |
I'm sure he's suggesting it for the B note that's an octave lower than E9th. The E9th nut roller isn't designed for that gauge, and the string would probably break if you tried to tune it to pitch.
See http://b0b.com/infoedu/gauges.htm
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JOZEF SMITH
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WESTMINSTER - CA - USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 9:42 pm
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Jozef,
Where can we see this string guage chart? Looks interesting. |
Here is the website:
http://www.hawaiiansteel.com/learning/gauges.html
it may be that his recommendation is for non pedal steels only. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 10:03 pm
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On John Ely's chart, his recommendation for the E9th 10th string B is .034 to .038. Notice that the low B .068 is below guitar low E. The B of the E9th is an octave higher than that. The D string of the E9th is the same pitch as the guitar D string, and the B is just 3 notes below that.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 10:16 pm
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From the string gauge chart:
Notice the E7th tuning. This is the closest to the E9th.
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E .014 E9th string 4
B .018 E9th string 5
G# .024w E9th string 6 (normally a plain string)
E .030w E9th string 8
D .034w E9th string 9
B .038w E9th String 10
G# .046w Extended E9th string 11
E .056w Extended E9th string 12
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Looking at the chart, that .064 is an octave below the standard 10th string on an E9th tuning.
Dang, Bob and I were doing the same thing at the same time. |
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Ernie Pollock
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Mt Savage, Md USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 4:19 am S-10 w/low bass note
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I have used this one for a long time, I lower that 10th string from E to low D on a lever.
Ernie Pollock |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 7:22 am
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I have been using heavier than usual wound strings on my PSG's for along time. I went this route because the wound strings didn't have as much perceived volume as the plain ones. I go 1-2 steps heavier:
1st - F# - .013
2nd - D - .015
3rd - G# - .0115
4th - E - .014
5th - B - .018
6th - G# - .024w
7th - F# - .028w
8th - E - .032
9th - D - .036
10th - B - .040
11th - G# - .046
12th - E - .056
It will give you a louder, fatter low end, more string tension with respect to bar pressure, and a slightly harder pedal action.
Ooops - just gave away a trade secret!! Oh well, too late now. That's OK, I may move up to a .058 on the low E. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 31 Jul 2008 12:51 pm
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I drop the low B string on my U-12 to A on the A pedal. I have a really fat chord, but more than that, it's great for playing lead lines in the bass register.
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