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Topic: Could we have an Impact on Country music ? |
Bill Dobkins
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Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 25 May 2008 7:38 pm |
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May we could start a petition, stating how we feel about todays country and get it to the right people.
Remember there is strenght in numbers. What do you think ? There is a lot of voices here on the forum.
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Michael Douchette
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Gallatin, TN (deceased)
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 25 May 2008 7:57 pm
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| In this case, the strength is only in numbers with dollar signs in front. |
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Ben Godard
From:
Jamesville NC
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Posted 25 May 2008 9:39 pm
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Yeah. If the big pocket book of the corperate music industry would be affected, then and only then would their be any change. But too many teeny boppers/college kids, etc are spending mommy and daddy's credit cards on the "pop" country crap that is out today.
Ha. And it kills me to see these kids today who claim to be country as grits just because they listen to a few pop country songs and drive a truck (that daddy probrably is still paying for).
If only there were a way to get the general public interested in real counry music again. I hope that someday maybe something new and catchy but traditional from country music will get their attention and with that they could start appreciating older music as well. Only time will tell. |
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Walter Stettner
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Vienna, Austria
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Posted 26 May 2008 1:00 am
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Let's face it - we are a minority these days. If a few hundred people sign up for something or not, the industry couldn't care less. We're not the big money... 
Kind Regards, Walter
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 26 May 2008 3:26 am
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Unfortunately, what Walter said is true. A petition would have to have at least 50,000 signatures to carry any weight with the major labels. Anyhow, even at that, there'd be very little long-term change. Whatever you're looking for is out there, and it will be as long as someone is buying it. It's just not being played on radio or TV.
Support the artists that are still doin' the good stuff by buying their CDs, as that's the only way we can thumb our nose at the big labels. |
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LJ Eiffert
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California, USA
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Posted 26 May 2008 6:27 am
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| Our Ship is moving in the water for the Steel Guitar & Real Country Music.Don't give up now. Believe me,once again,thanks to God for giving " Bobby Lee " this Steel Guitar forum,for us. In Las Vegas I got a ear full of,as I Told Mr. Robert (Bob) Romeo,I didn't give 38 years of my life to The Academy of Country Music & Nashville & Alabama Jam to kill what I helped build.Believe me this SGF is working to fix what them Lawyers and Big Heads with some fruitcakes have done to disrespect the History of neighborhoods all across this Nation & the World. As I always to Fran Boyd and many others over the years,I'm for the little people no matter how big you are I get. It's the little people that keep the big ones rich and sometimes you just have to cut them down to remind them who their are. It's not a fight, it's a healing to get true contents. Sincerely in Country Music & All Styles,Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 May 2008 6:56 am
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Buying country music sends a larger message than signing any petition. These people are in business to make money. Pick the artists that you like and support them from your wallet. It's the only way to keep the music alive.
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Richard Damron
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Gallatin, Tennessee, USA (deceased)
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Posted 26 May 2008 7:17 am
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Do we - as a minority - have enough money to even begin to compare with that spent on this abominable thing called "country-rock"? (UGH) Probably not - but I'll continue to fill out my library of good, old-fashioned, classic country as my limited funds permit. It's my personal, minor statement - heard or not.
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 26 May 2008 8:48 am
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YES
You have to spend $$$$, it ain't gonna work with some petition.
There is a thread about Carrie Underwood becoming the newest Grand Ole Opry member and she won the ACM award for female vocalist last week.
Well her debut album sold 6,000,000 units. Are you guys buy 6 million Cd's? Because that's what it's going to take.
Quite a few folks on this forum think that Heather Myles should be the Country female singer of the year, and be on the Grand Ole Opry.
So here is how it can happen.
There are 7500 registered users on this forum, if each AND EVERY one went and bought 800 Cd's from Heather this month. That would give her 6,000,000 albums sold, I would be willing to bet that she would be the next Grand Ole Opry member and win the ACM and CMA awards.
So is everyone here ready to buy 800 albums from one single artist?
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Joe Casey
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Posted 26 May 2008 9:43 am
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| No No and no....Country music as we knew it does not have enough major support...Today there are a handful of traditionalist still on major labels...people our age do not go out to the clubs or even the concerts with enough numbers to make any diference...The labels even with the revolving door of newbies don't have a stack of Artist or stable of such as in the old days...As the Hags ,Price and Jones ect got old so did the support that kept them selling and touring....I remember when package shows of 3-4 artist could be bought for 20 grand ..and seats went for 5-6-12 bucks....promoters did not make a killing unless the seating was around 8-10 grand...Hag Jones and Price could sell out and it was easy for a small buyer like myself to book tie ins into large club venues... Artist passing through after major concerts...One such artist that always sold out was Faron Young..And thanks to Billy Deaton he always let me know when Faron would be availible..A gold record was around 80 -100,000 and even less...But the radio airplay was lasting...But 100,000 sales these day would not get anyone a second session...People our age although we still would support a new Hag,or Jones quite simply the numbers are not there....The writers who tell storys with great music and lyrics...Or the knowlegable DJs that know what Country music was or really is...2 years ago I booked a concert that drew 336 people in a 560-600 seat room.. 50% of the people that came probably never heard of anything but cheating Heart.. it was an Elks function and it made over 3000,profit for the club...But those same people fill up the room on Kareoke nights (Thurs)..Numbers and Executives,producers are raking it in with disposible talent nowadays..Talent questionable but promotion can sell popsicles to Eskimos...So unless the younguns get a taste for Steel Guitar and fiddle, good heartfelt lyrics and people who actually look like stars and not sewer cleaners, it ain't gonna happen....How many times can a Artist of yesteryear sell his greatest hits? And the young people want artist that fall out of the rafters and break instruments...We had a saying in the old days.."if it smells it sells" "Nowadays if it ranks its money in the banks" |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 26 May 2008 10:04 am
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I don't know for sure, but I honestly doubt there's any way to get through to the current country music establishment, as already stated. It's about big money, not petitions. I think James Carville would say it a bit more bluntly. Right now, all the organization seems to be geared to selling Britney Spears with hats and twangy accents.
That's why I started a thread a couple of months ago that suggested starting a new country music establishment, much like bluegrass did 40+ years ago for itself. It would have to be a labor of love, hardnosed and centered on "Country" music with a capital "C", and not about big money. I got the general impression that there's probably not a lot of interest in this - it would have to start small and require a lot of work for not a lot of money and would probably be perceived as a threat to the current country music establishment. Probably not a lot of incentive for working performers - even those who agree with these aims - to align with something like this. But I could be wrong about that - in fact, I hope I am. |
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 26 May 2008 10:29 am
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If you want to look at it another way, we already have changed it.
By not supporting the artist you think should be on country radio. If you don't go to their shows and buy their products then you have changed it.
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John Macy
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Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 26 May 2008 10:37 am
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Commercial music is researched and focus-grouped to death. In the big picture it is just the lines that connect the dots of advertising in radio. If you really think the market for traditional country music is a big as you'd like to think it is, and if it really reached the demographic that the advertisers want it to, it would already be a dominant force in the music industry...
There is lots and lots of great country music out there--support it--buy it--go out and see it--that will keep it alive  .
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Leslie Ehrlich
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Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Posted 26 May 2008 11:43 am
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| Suppose the 'traditional' country music that many of us love so much does make a comeback, but without PSG. Would you still listen to it? |
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Alvin Blaine
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Picture Rocks, Arizona, USA
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Posted 26 May 2008 12:05 pm
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| Leslie Ehrlich wrote: |
| Suppose the 'traditional' country music that many of us love so much does make a comeback, but without PSG. Would you still listen to it? |
Depends on what the definition of "Traditional Country Music" is.
If it's the country music of Jimmie Rodgers, Carter Family, and Uncle Dave Macon, then I wouldn't expect it to have a steel guitar in it.
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Janice Brooks
From:
Pleasant Gap Pa
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Posted 26 May 2008 12:23 pm
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| I don't see enough forum members supporting my live 365 station if thats any indication. |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
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Posted 26 May 2008 12:41 pm
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| Alvin Blaine wrote: |
If you want to look at it another way, we already have changed it.
By not supporting the artist you think should be on country radio. If you don't go to their shows and buy their products then you have changed it. |
GOOD POINT!!! |
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LJ Eiffert
From:
California, USA
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Posted 26 May 2008 3:54 pm
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| Let see!, " BOXCAR WILLIE " was Carrie Underwood in selling that many records with out a #1 on the BillBoard charts.Did it get him on the Grand Old Opry as a memeber? RIP Mr Lee D. Mardshall PS: Could any of you out there give the names of who is really calling the shots from what power house that dicktates who is in and who's is out on Radio Stations & or like CMA,ACM,BMI,ASCAP,SESAC,NARM & so on.I think the Artists representatives cross- referenced would show you where the geographical is.Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. > I'm just trying to help out what we can fix Brothers & Sisters on our own Indepentent side of this frequencies! |
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 26 May 2008 7:24 pm
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By the right people I didn't mean the corperate side of things. I was thinking more of the artist side. I'm sure there is someone on here knows someone of influence. Example) if Carrie Underwood would buck the system I think she could pull it off.Below is a list of honest laywers we could use.
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LJ Eiffert
From:
California, USA
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Posted 26 May 2008 7:48 pm
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| Hello Bill Dobkins,You have to time time 7 by 3 to get a 21 honest lawyer who can talk. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. |
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Theresa Galbraith
From:
Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
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Posted 28 May 2008 11:25 am
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Bill,
The only way to make a impact is to buy the cd's by the artist that uses pedal steel guitar. Record sales! |
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Joe Casey
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Weeki Wachee .Springs FL (population.9)
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Posted 29 May 2008 6:45 am
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| Theresa ,that truly is the perfect answer..... |
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 29 May 2008 7:29 am
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I dunno about being able to "control" (or even seriously "influence") the music biz by getting a bunch of middle-aged to older country fans to buy traditional country music. There is none of that music in the mainstream, and anybody playing it is completely marginalized in the production, distribution, and marketing system. Do people in the mainstream music biz really care what the small indies that produce this kind of music are doing? Maybe they should, but I see no indication they do. Of course it's a good idea to support these independent country artists. It supports them personally, but I don't see how that's gonna change the music biz.
Then there's the issue of radio and TV. I think it's well accepted that advertisers don't care about us. Again - maybe they should, but I don't see any indication they do. So there's that avenue for influence shot to blazes.
I think the problem is that there's really nobody pushing for this music - as a music style. There are lotsa' people out there pushing the hell out of hip-hop and rap, rock in many forms, dance-mix junk, modern country, and even blues, smooth-jazz, and bluegrass. But not traditional country.
IMO, the system is rigged the other way - I think it's systemic. I honestly think that if something structural doesn't significantly change, it will just get worse. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see any reason why this will get better right at the moment. Oh, just call me Dr. Doom and Gloom. 
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| Suppose the 'traditional' country music that many of us love so much does make a comeback, but without PSG. Would you still listen to it? |
As Alvin states - not all traditional country music had PSG in it. That's fine. In fact, some of that older Jimmie Rodgers and Carter Family type stuff lives on in the folk and bluegrass world. But if people started listening to good, hardcore honkytonk country en masse again, I don't think they'd be able to keep the PSG out. I find that when people who are open to roots American music hear the good stuff, they're sold. I think the problem is getting an audience with them.
I know there are people out there trying. Martina McBride's "Timeless" was a good effort - I understand that was self-produced. People like Marty Stuart just keep on pluggin' away with good stuff. But I just don't get the sense that the current country music organizational structure supports this. Again - I hope I'm wrong. |
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Jim Cohen
From:
Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 29 May 2008 7:36 am
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| Dave Mudgett wrote: |
| Oh, just call me Dr. Doom and Gloom. |
Thank you Dr. Doom and Gloom*
* Dave, you know you can always count on me to oblige... |
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