Sho-Bud Serial Number Help Identifying

Antolina · Post by **Antolina** » 12 May 2008 8:15 pm

The extra holes may or may not indicate three more pedals. I might be wrong but I'm prone to believe the pedals were originally more to the center ala the ealier models. They were likely moved to the side to replicate the later style. Note the pic of my '68.

I'd like to see more pictures of the underside.

mike nolan · Post by **mike nolan** » 13 May 2008 1:45 am

Probably early '73..... I have two '73 LDGs one has the screws through the neck, one doesn't .... .so it is likely that they were using up those necks left from the Professionals. One of the LDGs has the original dustcatcher, one has the flat metal fretboard...I have seen all original S-10s from this era that came with 6 and 1 set up for C6.... Some did have 3 pedals centered....
You probably won't get it figured much closer than this.

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 13 May 2008 2:19 am

I'd like to see how the pedals are attached to the rack. Maybe they've been moved. And six and one? Yup! But mine is six and two!

Dana Erlandson · Post by **Dana Erlandson** » 13 May 2008 9:55 pm

Here's more of the underside...I did the measuring and if the three had been moved, the previous position would have been dead center.

I found some pictures on line of another nearly identical steel (only difference being the volume/tone knobs) I think that if you put three more pedals on mine in the existing holes it would look like this.

By the way....I think I mentioned in another post that I am a push over for blondes. Heres a picture of my girls...

Antolina · Post by **Antolina** » 13 May 2008 9:57 pm

Dana,

Yer obviously not married

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 14 May 2008 5:43 am

Here's a pic of pedal racks from three different eras.

The rack on top is an early Fingertip. Notice that the tabs that hold the axle the pedals mount on are cast as one with the pedal rack. Except for the middle tab, which is affixed with machine screws. The rack is fastened to the front legs with bolts and wingnuts.
The rack in the middle is from my 67 S-10 6/2, which has the coil-tap switch on the deck, but no volume or tone controls. The axle-mounting tabs are cast as one with the rack. Also uses bolts and wingnuts.
The rack in front is from my 74 S-10 3/6, two hole puller. The axle tabs are fastened to the rack with machine screws. It uses the sliding clips to fasten to the legs. This is the rack style on Dana's guitar.
All that said, it seems possible to me that Dana's guitar is of an earlier vintage, and has been "modernized." The pedal rack may be newer than the guitar, as could be the "dustcatcher."
But, then again, there's the pup, and the coil-tap on the endplate! But the pull rod ends are pretty old-style.
Looking at the pic of the underside of Dana's guitar, I notice some inconsistencies. I blew the pic up to where I could measure some of the distances between the racks/baskets. I measured 1 3/4"(not full-sized blow-up, just to where I could make accurate measurements) between the racks. But between the 3rd pedal rack and the first "removed rack" the distance was only 1 5/8". Also note that the screws which hold the springs that hold the racks in their "return" position are not drilled in the body on the same plane as the original, removed screws.
I therefore think it's quite possible this guitar has been modded. Then again??
And Dana, be sure and replace that missing machine screw in the keyhead endplate. It holds the keyhead down, and is a very important fastener!

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 15 May 2008 11:34 am

I'm thinkin' 'bout starting a thread on Shobud serial numbers. It oughta be a hoot to see how these numbers slew all over the place! Get guys to list their guitar's year along with the serial number. It would put to rest the idea that the serial numbers mean something. Wouldn't surprise me if there are several guitars with the same serial numbers.

Benton Allen · Post by **Benton Allen** » 15 May 2008 1:51 pm

The rack in the middle is from my 67 S-10 6/2, which has the coil-tap switch on the deck, but no volume or tone controls. The axle-mounting tabs are cast as one with the rack. Also uses bolts and wingnuts.

For what it's worth John, the middle rack also apears to be identical to my 1969 D10 Crossover pedal rack.

Did anyone ever ask David or Harry to explain the serial number thinkology used at Sho-Bud?

Cheers!
Benton

John Billings · Post by **John Billings** » 15 May 2008 2:14 pm

Benton, yup! Baldwin racks.
"explain the serial number thinkology used at Sho-Bud?"
I figure it's whatever punches were lyin' close at hand. My '67 is #7444. Other guitars made that day, or week, were most likely #4744, #4474, and #4447!

Mark Durante · Post by **Mark Durante** » 15 May 2008 5:29 pm

Was it really that haphazard all the time or did they sometimes have some serial number system for certain models maybe??

Carl Vilar · Post by **Carl Vilar** » 15 May 2008 9:39 pm

Well here's what it looks like after I got done cleaning her up. Also completely disassembled and oiled. Sounds awesome.