Advice needed

Marty Pollard · Post by **Marty Pollard** » 13 Aug 2002 5:59 am

Eng.>Jap.>Eng.
As this morning from spasm dream makes become aware I, the I where my bed was changed was to the noxious insect which is not either the way.
Port.>Eng.
Because this morning of makes of the dream of spasm if transforms I cliente, the I where my bed was changed was to the harmful insect that is not one or another one the way.
Fre.>Eng.
Since this morning of the marks of the dream of the spasm if the customer of I transforms, the I where my bed was changed was with the harmful insect which is not one or manner.
Ita.>Eng.
From this morning of the marks of the dream of the spasm if the customer of transforms, where my base has been changed it was with the injurious bug that is not one or way.
Chi.>Eng.
From spasm dream mark this morning if the customer transforms, place my base is changed it is and is not one or way harmful stinking insect.
Kor.>Eng.
When the customer changes from the convulsive dreamy ticket, this morning, my foundation pyen it it becomes light as this and one or method corpse one offensive odor puts me the insect which it boils.

Heavens, sad that you must face
the trial

Del Rangel · Post by **Del Rangel** » 13 Aug 2002 2:44 pm

Burn the bedding and get something from the chemist to nuke that pest. Stay away from cheap hotels.

Kenny Dail · Post by **Kenny Dail** » 13 Aug 2002 3:04 pm

I would be careful what I said if I were you guys, You know how vain Steel players are.

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Steve Frost · Post by **Steve Frost** » 16 Aug 2002 12:51 pm

Earnest- as you know- "sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug!!"

Ken Mullett · Post by **Ken Mullett** » 17 Aug 2002 5:54 am

Earnest, Ich bin net suh us do vaste vas do bist un schwesten du vayea. Konst do bissel may explaina? Ich bin deutch ase un havasock!

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 17 Aug 2002 9:36 am

Easy for you guys to say as you lounge about comfortably in your endoskeletons.

Walter Glockler · Post by **Walter Glockler** » 17 Aug 2002 10:36 am

Man sollte eben nie mehr trinken als mit Gewalt hineingeht.
WG

Martin Abend · Post by **Martin Abend** » 17 Aug 2002 2:13 pm

Walter...

you made my day.

Thanks... and welcome to the Forum, BTW...

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Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 17 Aug 2002 5:20 pm

Speak English. This country speaks, and is governed by English. Not German, Italian, French,
Yiddish,Arabian, Spanish, Swahili, Hopi, Inuit, Portugese, Untold Celtic Dialects,
Fractured Hoch-Deutsch, Swedish, Broken-Sicilan, Pig-Latin, Morse Code, and Braille.

You want to live here? Than speak the lingo.
Especially the Pledge of Allegiance. That was a MUST for both my parents when they got off the boat. One Italian, one French. They wanted to live here, bad enough I guess, to at least memorize the Pledge, AND, in English.
I get REAL irritated when I make a [ultimately] phone call to some ambiguous entity, and they have the gaul to spiel their rap in English, and, ah, Spanish!!!! Why Spanish?

If you're going to try to be politically correct and please the whole friggin' world, then what's wrong with all the other languages in not being represented. Give me a break!

Speak English. Learn it. Try to learn it. Or take the high road!

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 17 Aug 2002 6:19 pm

Mr. Fossa:

If you'd taken the time to run any of this thread through a translater you'd know that all this is just silly nonsense. There is no real conversation going on here. You're all worked up over nothing.

As for "Spanish!!!! Why Spanish?",..."Speak English. Learn it. Try to learn it. Or take the high road!"...

I met my wife in Mexico, married her there and moved her up here. She teaches English to classes of Latinos, she speaks English, Spanish and French fluently, also some Italian, German and Dutch. She agrees with you (with less prejudice) and in fact tells the Latinos she comes into contact with the same basic idea, but without "take the high road" ...that English is this country's language and they should learn it if they're going to live here.

As for "Why Spanish?", I can help answer that question if you really want to know, but I doubt you'd like the answer.

In case you forgot your history, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, California and some of Colorado and Utah used to BE Mexico.

Go to any of these URL's and read for yourself, and I'd bet you and most of us would be surprised at exactly how we got those territories.

www.historyguy.com/Mexican-American_War.html
www.dmwv.org/mexwar/mexwar1.htm
www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar/

That's "why Spanish".

Yes, I'm a flag-waving all-American like you and I agree anyone moving into this country should learn the language but keep in mind that English wasn't always the national language here and some of the original natives like to pass down their ancestral language. The ones moving here also can't be expected to learn English overnight, now can they?

Finally, this Forum has had a lot of "heated discussions" in the last year, resulting in sudden closing of several and some people going away more than a little p.o.'ed, and it has survived them. Those discussions at least pertained to the steel guitar in some way or another. But I'll be damned if you or anyone else is going to go on this Forum and post racist B.S. b0b, please close this thread before I get pi**ed.

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Chip Fossa · Post by **Chip Fossa** » 17 Aug 2002 7:16 pm

Thanks, Mr Phelps, for pointing me in the right direction. Obviously, you, and not me,
can read and interpret what I take for being German.

I'm just like you and love a great joke/spoof.

I apologize for not being as introspective as yourself. It's just my lack of language skills, I guess.[This message was edited by CHIP FOSSA on 17 August 2002 at 08:18 PM.]

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 17 Aug 2002 7:39 pm

Save your sarcasm. Of course 99% of the posts here are in German. You're going to try and say you were just kidding now? Your Speak English post doesn't show any indication of being a joke and you said a good deal more than just relating to the German posts here. If you were trying to be funny, I'd love to apologize to you but it doesn't look like it to me.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 August 2002 at 08:49 PM.]

Michael Holland · Post by **Michael Holland** » 17 Aug 2002 8:05 pm

The Steel Guitar Forum was started in the USA by English speaking persons. You are all welcome to start your own forums in whatever language you choose. Goodbye to Msrrs. Bovine, Pettit, Frost, Henry, Jansen, Schmidt, Abend, Ms. O'Keefe, Jeffreys, Miller, Hoffner, and Glockler.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 17 Aug 2002 8:30 pm

And who made YOU king? First, this entire thread was all just a gag, second, there is nothing in the Forum's rules about in what language posts must be. Third, b0b didn't shut this thread down for it being in a non-English language.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 17 Aug 2002 8:40 pm

It really amazes me, the mentality that "if you're in the U.S.A. you must speak ONLY English!" I suppose when these people visit a foreign country, they immediately know and speak the language and never English, for as long as they're in that country!

And there's something wrong with people who speak English 99.9% of the time, speaking (or writing) in some other language just for laughs once in a while? It can only be because too many people are just paranoid and jealous of anyone speaking anything that they themselves can't understand. Case closed![This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 August 2002 at 09:42 PM.]

Michael Holland · Post by **Michael Holland** » 17 Aug 2002 8:42 pm

And goodbye to you, Mr. Phelps. Good luck to you and all who will be starting forums in whatever language they choose.

Jim Phelps · Post by **Jim Phelps** » 17 Aug 2002 8:43 pm

Are you going somewhere? ¡Adiós! When b0b says "Only English allowed here", agree with it or not I'll respect his authority. Not yours. Then, only English from me! I'm gonna go lay in the chaise lounge now...uh oh, that's French, can't say that here!

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Martin Abend · Post by **Martin Abend** » 18 Aug 2002 2:09 am

Hahahaha, un-glaub-lich. Ich hatte gedacht, dass ihr alle euch des Reichtums bewusst seid, mit Musikern aus der ganzen Welt sprechen zu können und wenigstens halbwegs humorbegabt seid... Naja, was solls.

But thanks, Jim, I appreciate your replys

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martin abend Pedal-Steel in Germany
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Johan Jansen · Post by **Johan Jansen** » 18 Aug 2002 2:26 am

Out of the humor section, but maybe it belongs here....

The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has
been reached to adopt English as the preferred language for
European communications, rather than German, which was the other
possibility.
As part of the negotiations, the British government conceded that
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a
five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro
for short).
In the first year, "s" will be used instead of the
soft "c".Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with
joy. Also, the hard
"c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up
konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.There will be
growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year,when the
troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words
like"fotograf" 20 per sent shorter.

In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be
expected to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are
possible.

Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters, which
have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre
that the
horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they
would go.

By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as
replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by " v".
During ze fifz year, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords
containing "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer
kombinations of leters.

After zis fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibl riten styl. Zer vil
be no mor trubls or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu
understand ech ozer.

Ze drem vil finali kum tru.

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 18 Aug 2002 5:02 am

it's OTC Time !!!
for me this thread was more a goof than anything else.
it's a drag seein'cats gettin' gung ho about THE official language.
i mean Shucks, i know good ol' English is the Lingo here on the Fo'rum and i don't need b0b to tell me that it is !
i speak 5 languages and i have often helped arrogant Amerikan Tourists who expect every body to speak English when they are Travelin'abroad.
Remember:When in Rome...
So come on People let's get right,respect every ones differences and learn how to laugh when things get outta whack.
Steel on the Tower of Babel...

PS: y'all can check out my lil'French site:
HERE
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Sam White · Post by **Sam White** » 18 Aug 2002 5:12 am

We know how we got those states from the Mexicans we took it like we took it from the Indians and I agree with Chip Fossa if you don't want to talk English pack up and get the H--- out of our country where we give all those people free medical and support and we reach 65 and can't get perscription coverage.Big deal we have Medicare and the we have to pay all that money to cover our medical exspence.But those people up there in the white house can line there pockets and give us that went and protected them with our lifes can get S---.
Sam White

Michael Holland · Post by **Michael Holland** » 18 Aug 2002 6:08 am

Okay, I retract my cranky comments from last night (which I leave in for continuity). If you start a foreign language thread, please title the thread in the that language. That way we stupid Americans won't click on it to start with.

Steve Feldman · Post by **Steve Feldman** » 18 Aug 2002 6:30 am

Think I'll drive up to Maine and put the kayak in the water. You all have a good one...

Post by **b0b** » 18 Aug 2002 8:17 am

There's no Forum rule that says posts have to be in English, and I'm not about to make one now. However, if someone wants to get intelligent replies from the steel guitar community, they should post in English. The vast majority of steel players in the world speak English.

I'm closing this topic.

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Post by **b0b** » 18 Aug 2002 8:58 am

Received from Ernest in email:

b0b, I apologize for causing bad feelings and confusion with that German sentence. I used German because I had read in German about a similar thing happening to a chap named Gregor Samsa, and the story was very moving. It seemed to lose something in English. You can read here about the translator's struggle with Gregor's story. And you can rewad his whole story in English here .

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