Anybody raise and lower E's on Right leg?

Jory Simmons · From: Elkhorn, Wisconsin, USA

I lower My E's RKR and Raise E's RKL. Just Curious Who else does this????
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Chuck S. Lettes · From: Denver, Colorado

Hi Jory,
I also use the right knee for those changes. Small world!
Chuck

Chuck S. Lettes · From: Denver, Colorado

Hi Jory,
I also use the right knee for those changes. Small world!
Chuck

chris ivey · From: california (deceased)

rkl..e-eb rkr..e-f# lkr..e-f

Bill Hankey · From: Pittsfield, MA, USA

A friend said it's a Sho-Bud "thing". Smile

Don Sulesky · From: Citrus County, FL, Orig. from MA & NH

My 1st steel was a ShoBud and it was set up lower, RKL and raise, LKL and I never changed. When I bought my new Emmons LeGrande II I had it set up that way also. Never felt the need to change.

Jory Simmons · From: Elkhorn, Wisconsin, USA

My first PSG teacher played a Black Mica MSA S10 with 4 and 5. He lowered the E's RKR and Raised em RKL. When I bought my first PSG it was a Birdseye Maple, rootbeer Lacquer MSA S10 3&4, Brand new in a music store in Roselle Il....set up the same way from the Factory. Maybe back then (1976) MSA set them up this way? Or maybe somebody ordered this steel and never actually bought it.
So Thats how I learned to play.....
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Billy Wilson · From: El Cerrito, California, USA

I have mine that way. On C6th neck I raise and lower the root 1/2 step also with the right side levers.

Jim Hankins · From: Yuba City, California, USA

Yes I do, on my Carter U12.

Bo Borland · From: South Jersey -

The E changes were on my first PSG, saw no good reason to change after all these years. While I can play the Emmons knee set up, when under the gun, I always reach for the wrong knee.

Bill Simmons · From: Keller, Texas/Birmingham, AL, R.I.P.

Besides having a great last name like mine, I've always had my "E'S" on the right knee lever just like you have then set...
Bill Simmons

Terry Wood · From: Lebanon, MO

Jory,

Well, I lower mine RKL but raise on LKL. When I sit down at a steel that has LKR lowers it messes with my mind. If I were starting all over I do think that I would do the lower on LKR. It makes sense to me withthe B pedal but now I have played this way so long, why change it now. This is a great question.

Terry Wood

Pit Lenz · From: Cologne, Germany

my E´s are RK, too: I re-rodded my newly purchased (used) U-12 according to Bud Carter´s standard Uni-copedent:
RKL: E»F , RKR: E»Eb.

My former student model had the E changes also on right knee,but in the opposite direction.

Getting used to the swap is ok when you practice on your own, but it´s like driving in the UK when you play with the band:
delivered me quite some surprise chord movements... Surprised

Al Anderson · From: Wisconsin, USA

Jory

What ever you,re doing,Keep doing it. You sounded
great at the Dairyland jam.

Al Anderson

Darvin Willhoite · From: Roxton, Tx. USA

I lower mine with the RKR, but I raise them with the LKR. I didn't raise the E's to F until I had been playing for about 10 or 12 years, and my old Clark steel had three knee levers and was so hard to change setups on, it was easiest to make a new lever and put it in the LKR position. It worked for me, so I left it that way.
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John Roche · From: England

it makes more sense to have them on the same knee.

Mark Wayne · From: Wisconsin, USA

Yea, Jory... You sounded great Smile

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Jim Robbins · From: Ontario, Canada

Jory, I have mine set up like yours - it's a Sho-Bud so maybe it's that Sho-Bud thing Bill Hankey's friend mentioned.
My first steel as I recall had the E lower on the LKR and I like it on RKR much better since I use it in conjunction with the pedals quite a bit.

George Kimery · From: Limestone, TN, USA

My first two guitars lowered the E's RKL and raised them, LKL. I played this way for 30 plus years. My current Emmons 12 string E-9 came set up with the E's lowering LKR and the raises, LKL. I liked the lowers and the raises on different knees for one simple reason: I can go smoother from the lowers to the raises with two different knees. I don't care for the slight time lapse of getting my left knee from one side of the left knee lever to the other side to make the lowering to raising change. There is just a pause there that bugs me. With the changes on different knees, there is no time lag.

Peter Freiberger · From: California, USA

I also raise E/F on RKL and lower E/D# on RKR. I lower strings 2 D#/D/C# and 9 D/C# on LKR and raise 1 F#/G and 7 F#/G/G# on LKL. Putting the E changes on the same knee gives you more combinations and works well on a P/P because the raise lever tends to follow the lowering lever unless you build in a lot of slack.

Not that I'm doing much with C6, but I have tried to set it up to function similarly to my E9. I raise string 3 C/C# on RKL (and lower string 9 F/E) and lower string 3 C/B on RKR. I raise string 4 A/Bb/B on my LKR, sort of like my E9 second string, and raise string 1 D/Eb with LKL (along with the "boo-wah" C/A on 10 and raising the 7th C/C#. I think I've got the usual pedal 8 functions covered on my knees so I don't have to play two footed, although I'd like to be able to lower my A's to Ab. Maybe on a VKL someday?

Alan Kendall · From: Maury County Tennessee

There was a terrific thread a few years ago about exactly the same subject. Buddy Emmons and Paul Franklin had a really interesting discusion about the pros and cons of both E's on one knee or seperate knee's.
Well worth checking out.

Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

Yup - lots of threads on this subject. Here's that BE/PF discussion that I also found extremely illuminating from both sides of the story:

http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/007769-2.html

and a coupla' more recent ones:

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=122190

http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=114846

Some of these threads are related to universal, but the topic cuts across both E9 and E9/B6 universal. I personally found the discussion compelling enough that I tried it a few different ways before putting my E-Eb lower on RKL.

Brad Issendorf · From: Lake City, Minnesota

I raise and lower my Es on my right knee also. I learned to play on a 1975 MSA Classic that was set up this way, so yes I beleive that it was an MSA thing. To carry on the tradition, my new MSA was set up this way too.

Ernest Cawby · From: Lake City, Florida, USA, R.I.P.

To have the E lower on the right knee left makes the a pedal and the E lower easier Buddy uses this on his tabs with my stiff ankle it is hard I have to take my foot off and move over to get this move. if it were back like shobud on the RKL it would be easy, I changed cause I thought most guitars were set up this way, if someone wanted to play my steel it would be eaiser to use. Wish I had it back.

ernie

Lowell Whitney · From: Waynoka, Oklahoma, USA

My Dekley was set up with the RKR lowering the Es to Eb. My trouble was every time I used it I would inadvertantly back off the volume pedal. So, after some coaching from Jim Smith, I got my nerve up one day and entered the "belly of the beast" and swapped the RKR and LKR. Much better. My RKL has a half-stop which lowers the 2nd string which I use sometimes. LKL raises the Es, and I'm still trying to figure out what to do now with the RKR.
Lowell
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