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Topic: Instant cure for wrong notes.. .YES Via Melodyne DNA |
basilh
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John Roche
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England
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Posted 15 Mar 2008 5:44 am |
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| I use Melodyne Studio, this will be a great addition to it. |
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basilh
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Posted 15 Mar 2008 6:00 am
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So do I John,
I'm G5 twin processor Mac based with the new Logic Pro AND the older versions.
48 DISCRETE tracks of Motu HD 192 24bit 192Khz interfaces and most of the available plugins including all of the Waves for the pre OSX Logic Audio, the complete suite of UAD, and the usual guitar amp plugins etc. BUT top of the list in performance is Melodyne and the new Logic Pro 8.. |
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Bent Romnes
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Posted 15 Mar 2008 10:39 am
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Imagine being able to take a chord and split it up into individual notes for editing. Where will all this go? This stuff is totally mind boggling.
Whew! So much to learn and so little time...
If I only had it to do all over again... |
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John Roche
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Bob Martin
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Posted 15 Mar 2008 2:19 pm
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I think we are less than 5 years away from remixing masters from artists and its going to be a race to see who actually gets the technology first. If the record companies win they will have 2 sets of CD's for sale for each CD one will come with the technology to edit them and remix and even add to them and the other one will be a standard CD with protection built in so that they can't be tampered with. Can you imagine how much the editable CD's will cost 
Now if a company like Melodyne develops it first and wins the patent we will be buying the technology to reproduce masters from an already mastered CD that the big companies sell. I imagine with the money the recording industry has they could very easily win the race.
Right now with Melodyne's technology they are still limited to how many different notes that can be pulled out of a stereo mix but when they break that barrier Katie bar the door
Now keep in mind that this is just a very imaginative person writing this that loves technology so it could turn out completely different in reality
Big Bob
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Brian McGaughey
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Orcas Island, WA USA
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Posted 15 Mar 2008 4:23 pm
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WOW! With a loop library, a good musical idea needing expressing, and an understanding of the GUI, an artist really need not "play" a musical instrument. I'm sure there's plenty of this digitally "arranged" music out there now, and I know what melodyne will do with pitch correction on a single melodic track, (think radio disney teen vocals), but WOW!
There are no excuses for a musical artist not being able to express themselves right from their bedroom on their DAW. It really boils down to having the ideas and the kahoonas (sp?)... |
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Steve Hinson
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Hendersonville Tn USA
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 8:10 pm
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This technology is amazing, BUT the result of the sound of the music to me is sort of like all these computer based commercials you see on TV. Yes they are cute and impossible in the real world and they catch your attention the first time you see them, but then they lose their element of surprise and intrigue as you learn they are computer based and fake.
This music that you hear with all this digital editing is the same way. If you know the sound of instruments you know what is natural sounding and what is not. The lure to the senses of reality is not here with this stuff.
What is happening is that there is an entire group of listeners that think all this is reality and then they find it is not. Their reality is based in technology rather than actual musical reality. I for one do not really embrace this music. It does have it's place and yes non musical/playing people can use it to create and edit music, but even it's compexity is shallow to me, just like every computer driven commercial I see.
The demo of this software not only spoke of correcting a pitch in a non monophonic track, but it also touted editing the track around and creating a totally new track. The problem is just what I spoke of. The new edit creations do not sound natural unless edited in a way that closely mirrors the nuances of a live/real player. This technology in the hands of non musical people..........your hearing a lot of that these days.
Be very afraid. |
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Randy Phelps
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Posted 25 Mar 2008 8:54 pm
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The Genie never goes back in the bottle. There will be some technologies and methodologies that will fall out of favor over the new developments... but not many.
The 'false' sound will sound false to us... but, eventually (and for the most part) it will sound 'normal' to the average listener. The software will open new avenues of creativity.
I'd disagree with this "This technology in the hands of non musical people..........your hearing a lot of that these days.
Be very afraid."
First, popular music has long been in the hands of folks with dubious musical credentials... Jerry Wexler who produced some of the most amazing records ever can't play a note. Democratizing music and making tools accessible to everyone encourages innovation and growth and takes it out of some elite club... The whole recording studio model didn't last 100 years... for good reason... it is a terrible model that has created an environment where way too many people think it is okay to steal music... they feel that way because the music bidness has been ripping off artists and the public for a long time.
Last. 'Be Very Afraid.'
What should we fear? That music will change? That talent won't be talent anymore? That our old ways are being threatened and we'll have to grow and learn or become irrelevant? That people of dubious performing ability will put together music that people would rather hear than ours?
I'm not afraid of any of those things. The fundamentals will always be successful: hard work, command of your instrument(s), great songs and charisma onstage.
New tools come along all the time: electric insruments, amplifiers, synthesizers, drum machines, stomp pedals, multi effects, rack units, pitch correction etc etc etc and a few people think that it always spells the beginning of the end....
I am a big fan of an accurate recording of a wonderful performance... I'm a big fan of folks who nail it the first time or leave in a few twists rather than being perfect... but being afraid of a tool like this is like waving your fist at the sun... it just doesn't matter...
Don't be a afraid... go find out what the tool does and decide if it helps you do your job and make your music. |
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basilh
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 3:15 am
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| This technology in the hands of non musical people..........your hearing a lot of that these days |
Sorry Bill, I must disagree, the vast majority of users of this technology ARE be musicians as well, you would have to have a fairly extensive knowledge of harmony and chords to even begin to use this type of TOOL
Randy, so much of what you say I agree with, with one exception.
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| Jerry Wexler who produced some of the most amazing records ever can't play a note. |
Jerry Wexler stands out as an exception that will help substantiate the norm that almost all of producers are musicians.. |
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Bill Hatcher
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 5:25 am
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| Randy Phelps wrote: |
What should we fear? That music will change? That talent won't be talent anymore? That our old ways are being threatened and we'll have to grow and learn or become irrelevant? That people of dubious performing ability will put together music that people would rather hear than ours?
I'm not afraid of any of those things. The fundamentals will always be successful: hard work, command of your instrument(s), great songs and charisma onstage.
New tools come along all the time: electric insruments, amplifiers, synthesizers, drum machines, stomp pedals, multi effects, rack units, pitch correction etc etc etc and a few people think that it always spells the beginning of the end....
I am a big fan of an accurate recording of a wonderful performance... I'm a big fan of folks who nail it the first time or leave in a few twists rather than being perfect... but being afraid of a tool like this is like waving your fist at the sun... it just doesn't matter...
Don't be a afraid... go find out what the tool does and decide if it helps you do your job and make your music. |
If you have ever made your living playing recording sessions and then you see all the work you used to do going to folks with computers using samples to make the most sterile sounding approximations of what you used to play live in the studio.....you would understand. This computer based edited loop stuff is worthless as opposed to a real player. The acceptance of such as having merit is what you need to be afraid of. I see so few future opportunities for players with this stuff taking over and becoming touted as musical.
When I came up through the business, a young player came in and got work by offering something new and fresh. Older players moved on and found other venues.
Today a computer program comes in and wipes out the musical opportunity for both the young AND the older player.
I am glad that I am not a young musician right now. I would not pursue it as a career. I see too many here in the Atlanta area trying and finding so few opportunities. |
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John Roche
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 5:54 am
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The main aim of this software will be to correct an otherwise flawless take on piano or steel or anything else.
Can you imagine do a great take on your steel only to hit one real bum note, then this will be used to repair it. I don't think it will be used to create musical master pieces ...JR |
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Bill Hatcher
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 6:47 am
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| John Roche wrote: |
The main aim of this software will be to correct an otherwise flawless take on piano or steel or anything else.
Can you imagine do a great take on your steel only to hit one real bum note, then this will be used to repair it. I don't think it will be used to create musical master pieces ...JR |
No, it will be used to take a sample of your steel playing and edit it and change the pitches and the key and create a track so they will not need to call in a real steel player anymore.
Most "business" music that you make a living recording and playing has nothing to do with a "master piece". |
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Steinar Gregertsen
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 7:29 am
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It's not the use of this software that worries me, it's the abuse that's bound to happen. Just like the monophonic Autotune,- great invention and tool to have in any studio to correct the occasional bummer in an otherwise great take - look what happened, we got Britney Spears and a load of talentless "singers" who couldn't carry a tune without Autotune.
Seems like it's just the way of human nature...
I wonder how well this works for steel guitar,- the examples shows acoustic guitar and piano, both of them are pretty static instruments where nothing much happens after you have hit/strummed a chord. A steel guitar is anything but static, and I can imagine correcting a note with a moving pitch inside a cluster of notes is much harder to make sound natural than the static sound of an acoustic guitar or piano?
Steinar
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John Roche
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 7:39 am
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| Steinar, the present Melodyne software is capable of some amazing things, it can the the vibrato out of a singers voice, make notes longer or shorter and you would not able to tell. I use it only for slight out of tune on singers voices. You can also do harmony using one voice and make them sound like different singers and sound natural not like some of the harmony racks singers use.....JR |
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Bill Hatcher
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Atlanta Ga. USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 8:49 am
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Perhaps there should be "disclaimers" stamped on the back of CDs.
PS. That was a joke.
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basilh
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 9:38 am
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Randy Phelps
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California, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2008 8:26 pm
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| Bill Hatcher wrote: |
If you have ever made your living playing recording sessions and then you see all the work you used to do going to folks with computers using samples to make the most sterile sounding approximations of what you used to play live in the studio.....you would understand. This computer based edited loop stuff is worthless as opposed to a real player. The acceptance of such as having merit is what you need to be afraid of. I see so few future opportunities for players with this stuff taking over and becoming touted as musical.
When I came up through the business, a young player came in and got work by offering something new and fresh. Older players moved on and found other venues.
Today a computer program comes in and wipes out the musical opportunity for both the young AND the older player.
I am glad that I am not a young musician right now. I would not pursue it as a career. I see too many here in the Atlanta area trying and finding so few opportunities. |
Bill, you make some very, very good points. I don't disagree with you at all.
My nephew is on tour, his band has done a couple of cd's (on epitaph records) they get to play all the instruments, write the songs and while they do some corrections with autotune they sound good live and on cd.
Bill, the business has changed completely and it is in a rapid state of change as we discuss this... no doubt about it. The guys who are gonna make a living making music are going to have to do a variety of things differently than in the past... those who can make the changes...
The end of an era.... |
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