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Topic: Programmed To Live With Indifferences |
Bill Hankey
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Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 5:48 am |
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| Indifferences that aptly apply to those who presumably are not attracted to artistic accomplishments of the finest steel guitarists, who readily display their skills, is cause for concern. Pretenses galore have amassed among ignoring viewers of televised musicals. My question will remain in effect until someone jolts the apparent biases, that are spawned by total ignorance. Does the general public tend to ignore, or walk away from steel guitar publicity, for reasons that may very well point to a specialized field of endeavors? |
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Eric West
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Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 7:27 am
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Most people are like certain fish in their artistic appreciation. If it's not a little red bug, that swims in a certain fashion, their mainstay, they don't even see it.
Can't blame them.
The irresistable mystique of steel guitar, regular guitar, or other musical instruments, their passages, nuances, and technical intracacies, for their own sake, is most magnetic to those directly trying to learn.
Otherwise the music only serves the same purpose as any other music, and it must have the same qualities: melody, tonality, and familiar intonation.
Just the nature of it.
Enforcing Awe, would be a sort of Stalinism, which would find me convicted by the local appreciation tribunal and on one of the first trains to the Gulag, I fear.
Humming an old Jimmy Bryant lick I was trying to learn..
EJL |
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richard burton
From:
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 11:41 am
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Bill,
Looking at it from another point of view, are you a member of, or even aware ofThe Antique Barbed Wire Society
I suspect that the Barbed Wire Society has not been picked up by your radar, and I also suspect that the said society is not remotely concerned at your indifference.
I don't think that it's the end of the world if the majority of the population are indifferent to the pedal steel guitar |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 1:45 pm
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Bill Hankey..
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| "Indifferences that aptly apply to those who presumably are not attracted to artistic accomplishments of the finest steel guitarists" |
I should think it quit obvious Bill, clearly metafandom has neither historical perspective nor your vocabulary at their disposal. |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 3:22 pm
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| Every steel guitarist who performs before the general public, learns early on, that most party goers shy away from our favorite instrument. Shades of intuitiveness amid the minds of the guffawing dancers, fails to register on the artistic creativities of even the most proficient steel guitarists. By sharp contrast, they will scream, applaud, and tear up a place to get get closer to a favorite band, whose volume levels are louder than battlefields. This negativity for anything less than who can create the most bizarre performances, detracts from what little faith is left in personal judgments. |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 4:34 pm
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| You see you can’t please everyone So you got to please yourself. -Rick Nelson- |
Simple as that.
My grandpa always said, "You gotta have a Gimmick."
EJL |
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Archie Nicol R.I.P.
From:
Ayrshire, Scotland
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 5:01 pm
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Richard; I feel a Jagwire reference coming on. 
Eric; You're a bad boy...usually? 
Bo; Hello. 
Bill; Stop talking shyte! 
Arch.
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I'm well behaved, so there! |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 5:43 pm
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| Arch; Thank you. |
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Pete Finney
From:
Nashville Tn.
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 7:14 pm
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| Bill Hankey wrote: |
| Every steel guitarist who performs before the general public, learns early on, that most party goers shy away from our favorite instrument. |
Well, it's really a shame if that's been your experience, but I don't understand why you would automatically assume that it's true for others, let alone "every steel guitarist". My experience with casual gigs or dances with local bands is that most of the audience usually isn't paying that much attention to the band in general, but I certainly don't ever notice people showing dislike of the steel in particular. On the contrary there are almost always some that go out of their way to say positive things and show a real interest.
And "guffawing dancers"? Is this something you see a lot of, really? And they're laughing at the steel guitar in particular? What kind of gigs do you DO?
Or is it that you expect the worst, and then interpret everything you see to reinforce your negativity?
In my opinion life's too short to always feel like a victim because you don't think "the masses" appreciate you. I suppose it's easy to feel that way if that's what you want, but... |
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richard burton
From:
Britain
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 10:27 pm
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Bo Legg
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Posted 19 Feb 2008 11:35 pm
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Archie Nicol...
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| "Bill; Stop talking shyte!" |
Greetings Mr. Nicol. One mans shyte is another mans fertilizer. The word fertilizer as a descriptive adjective however pales when compared to the word "shyte"...as in If I angrily shouted. "Hey! Fertilizer head I'm going to beat the fertilizer out of you." I will most assuredly get the shyte kick out of me.
Irregardless the defining word it still exhumes the unpleasant odor of shyte whither spoken or shoveled. This reply has been my attempt at a filibuster till I could locate my shovel which I now have in my grasp. I'm appropriately prepared now Bill. |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2008 3:08 am
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| As far as I know, "guying" is an old English tradition from the 14th Century. I'm a little hesitant to go messing with traditions. The folks from distant lands, particularly the U.K., are burdened with this feeling of supremacy, that seemingly allows for a bit of overconfidence in musical issues. I would think that other issues, such as animal cruelty, at slaughtering houses, would capture more attention, than turning to vulgarity as a means of distorting facts. Vulgar terminologies are the seeds of irrational behavior, and have no place in musical creativities. Chasing after musical dreams, becomes a practice, that should be safeguarded in the midst of a voluminous shrunken attentiveness. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 20 Feb 2008 3:18 am
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Yngwie Malmsteen is "GOD"
Eric Clapton is "GOD"
theres your answer.
There's no more room for anymore Gods ! The job is filled .
Just by the sheer numbers, using Guitar players as the reference, there are more EXCELLENT guitar players out there than Steel Guitar "owners" in totality.
Odds are someone will hear a great Guitar player 15 times an hour on radio. Odds are they will never hear a great Steel player in there lifetime.
I did session a week or two back for Muzak, excellent studio, perhaps 6 other musicians that have been playing for years, all very good players . None of them had ever even seen a Steel Guitar before, yes they knew what it was but never worked with one or even saw one.
So even in our own world of MUSICIANS we are the lacky's. |
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Archie Nicol R.I.P.
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Ayrshire, Scotland
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2008 5:08 am
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Archie,
This would be a perfect time to "parley" with ostentatious ridicule. May I remind others that advocates of dung slinging practices serves no useful purpose.
I'm advocating closing in on quadrupled willful indifference, and widespread ignorance of the functions; relative to mastery of the steel guitar. A publicized event by an expert, who would work through dismantling the steel guitar's working parts; and explaining what they do to produce a desired effect, before a large gathering of otherwise disinterested clientele, may prove helpful. |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 20 Feb 2008 7:05 am
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A gathering that would find me looking for a window to crawl out of..
I think the reluctance to "step up" is the historical reminder that "The Crowd" chose to free Barrabbas.
Not to mention that "..the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against him, to put him to death;"
I've had my run-ins with 'em.
No thanx.
EJL |
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Joe Drivdahl
From:
Montana, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2008 11:47 am
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| Does the general public tend to ignore, or walk away from steel guitar publicity, for reasons that may very well point to a specialized field of endeavors? |
Kind of difficult to know what you're asking exactly. I really don't know why you feel the need to write in such bombastic language. Heck, I'm working on my Ph.D., but I still know how to talk to regular folks. Put away the thesaurus, Bill.
What to you mean by "publicity?" exactly? Are you talking about Steel Guitar Conventions or something like that, or just a regular gig.
I don't think most people know what a steel guitar is, so I don't think they are quick to pass judgment for or against it. Look at Robert Randolph. People tend to like his music but have no idea what that things is he's playing much less what he's doing with it. I sure can't play that way (not that I'd want to, but...) You gotta give the guy credit for innovation.
Joe |
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Jack Dougherty
From:
Spring Hill, Florida, USA
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Posted 20 Feb 2008 7:24 pm
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| Kind of difficult to know what you're asking exactly. I really don't know why you feel the need to write in such bombastic language. Heck, I'm working on my Ph.D., but I still know how to talk to regular folks. Put away the thesaurus, Bill. |
Thank you Joe |
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Kevin Hatton
From:
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 20 Feb 2008 7:43 pm
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| Keep watching the skies! Keep watching the skies! |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 20 Feb 2008 8:39 pm
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Do you really think that about us Bill ?. How would you know, the powers that be at the various Steel Guitar orientated events 'Stateside" seem somewhat reluctant to invite the cream from over here, overconfident, no, often overlooked, yes, methinks. |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 21 Feb 2008 2:47 am
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Basilh,
A centuries old traditiion of safeguarding the glamour of kingdom, becomes a powerful influence, while others live in countries with sketchy politics trying to maintain law and order. It's sickening to read the news, or through televised programming, receive a steady diet of the criminal elements, and drug infestations. I must admit Basilh, that you are on the mark in judging me. You would be a most welcome guest here in America. |
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basilh
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 21 Feb 2008 5:15 am
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Bill I really must compliment you on your answer, without a doubt you could get a prime job at Wilkins-Rogers, Inc. for your use of "Flowery English"
Bravo... |
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Bo Legg
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Posted 21 Feb 2008 6:11 pm
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| Arch I've never heard scripture quoted from Blazing Saddles before, but I guess I should expected it here in Missouri where the movie "Deliverance" was nominated for an Oscar as a love story. |
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chris ivey
From:
california (deceased)
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Posted 21 Feb 2008 6:30 pm
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| i don't care if i p#*s anyone off.....bill hankey just likes to hear himself talk!! |
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Bill Hankey
From:
Pittsfield, MA, USA
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Posted 22 Feb 2008 3:39 am
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Chris,
People in general apparently like to hear themselves talk, sing, or heaven forbid, tell corny jokes. Your latest bid suggesting that a person who likes to talk, is subject to disapproval by typical closed mouths who reserve their "say-so" for special occasions. Their outcries usually come at critical moments when more than anything else, they need to be still. |
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