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Topic: Wrist Lever ?? |
Jim Ragan
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Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Jan 2008 5:59 pm |
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| I WOULD LIKE TO GET INFO & PICTURE OF HOW THE WRIST LEVER IS USED. |
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Bent Romnes
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London,Ontario, Canada
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Jeremy Threlfall
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now in Western Australia
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Posted 8 Jan 2008 6:09 pm
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check out the GFI website - there are pictures of some fancy wrist-levers there (under custom guitars)including this one .....
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 8 Jan 2008 6:52 pm
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| I think Mike Perlowin uses a wrist lever on his MSA. |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 8 Jan 2008 7:21 pm
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Here are some pictures.
This is a close up of the part of my avatar that shows the lever resting against my wrist, ready to be used.
I have the B to Bb change on the wrist lever because that change is useful in so many places on a U-12 that I wanted to be able to access it no matter what my feet and knees are doing.
I feel that it's a double edged sword. In some ways it's totally cool, but it does create some problems. It gets in the way when you play up the neck, and it's impossible to chime while using it.
Still, I feel the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
My long time friend and one time mentor Blackie Taylor saw mine and liked it so much he put one on his guitar.
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Michael Johnstone
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Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 11:12 am
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Here's a vertical wrist lever I put on My Sierra U-12. It raises the 2nd string from C# to D and then on up to D# with a half stop.It works real well for me and doesn't have the side to side limitations of a horizontal wrist lever or require me to lift my hand up out of picking position like the guy in the video does.
A guy named John Fry who lives here in L.A. has a slick vertical wrist lever on a Mullen U-12 which lowers his 5th string from B-Bb like Mike P does. |
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Darvin Willhoite
From:
Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 11:18 am
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What's that little black button for Michael? Is it the "eject" switch, or does it send a shock to the drummer when he gets off beat? 
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MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 2:24 pm
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| See there, Perlowin? That's TWICE already this year, that I've referred to you, and not said anything remotely insulting. TWICE, in less than TWO WEEKS!! |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 3:50 pm
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| Stephen Gambrell wrote: |
| See there, Perlowin? That's TWICE already this year, that I've referred to you, and not said anything remotely insulting. TWICE, in less than TWO WEEKS!! |
Stevie, my answer to you remains the same as it has always been: I'm not going to get into a flame war with you. But I must ask, why would you want to say something insulting in the first place? Is your hatred so great that you're willing to lower the quality of this wonderful forum by turning it into a format for fighting and flaming?
I, like most others, come here to talk about music and steel guitars, to learn from others and share what knowledge I have. Not to insult or fight with anybody.
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 5:13 pm
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| I have to admire the ingenuity of steel guitar players that adapt ideas and modifications to the instrument. Bravo! |
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Michael Johnstone
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Sylmar,Ca. USA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 5:16 pm
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| Naw I don't play with bad drummers - in Los Angeles you shouldn't have to. The little black button is mostly a Leslie speed switch. It's just a momentary on button housed in a Bud-Box with a 1/4" jack in the end.Just plug a guitar cable in and send the other end with the appropriate termination to do anything a garden variety footswitch would do.It could also be a "sustain pedal" on a midi piano sample or turn a certain effect on/off - depending on how it's routed/programmed. I have all that midi stuff on an Excel nowadays. |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 7:22 pm
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Does anybody have a copy of Tom Bradshaw's original; catalog from the 70s? it contains a picture of an MSA with what may be the prototype wrist lever. Since Bud Carter was designing and building the MSA guitars at the time, it's reasonable to assume that the lever is his invention.
BTW, I was skeptical about them till I sat down at a guitar that was equipped with one. Once I tried it, I liked it and decided to get them installed on my guitars. Generally speaking, when people sit down at my guitar, they usually like the lever.
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 7:22 pm
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duplicate post, deleted
Last edited by Mike Perlowin on 9 Jan 2008 7:24 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 7:23 pm
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| duplicate post again, deleted. Sorry about that. |
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Stephen Gambrell
From:
Over there
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Posted 9 Jan 2008 11:28 pm
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| Mike Perlowin wrote: |
| duplicate post again, deleted. Sorry about that. |
Perlowin, ANYTHING you have to say is worth repeating . You having a good New Year so far? |
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Brandon Ordoyne
From:
Needville,Texas USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2008 5:12 am
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I have enough to deal with with 5 knees and 8 pedals!!!!
Brandon
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Bill Ford
From:
Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 10 Jan 2008 5:44 am
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Brandon,
I thought everyone needed one more pedal, or lever !!!!
BF
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Bill Dobkins
From:
Rolla Missouri, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2008 6:32 am
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The lever that gets me is the one on (I Think) Roy Ayres that changes from E9th to C6th. I would like to see this set up.
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Paul Wade
From:
mundelein,ill
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Posted 10 Jan 2008 12:44 pm msa sd-12
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here you go mike. i wonder who has this m.s.a and
where it is. maybe tom bradshaw knows or reece...
p.w 
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 10 Jan 2008 12:55 pm
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If you look at the You Tube video, you'll see that the player only picks the strings once while the wrist is engaged. Most of the time, he's using it while the strings are ringing out.
For whatever it's worth, I frequently pick the strings while engaging the lever. Sometimes I have to catch the lever on my forearm, closer to my elbow rather than my wrist though.
As far as I can tell, the player in the video is using the wrist lever to lower the 6th string a whole tone. I lower the 5th a half tone. But we both only have one pull on the lever, and activate only one string. I believe that since our wrists and arms aren't as strong as our legs, putting 2 or 3 pulls on a wrist lever would make it too hard to use.
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 10 Jan 2008 1:12 pm
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Hey guys check this out. On that original wrist lever, presumably made by Bud Carter, the linkage is outside the rear apron.
If you look at the pictures of my white guitar, you'll see that the linkage is inside the apron, and the pivot point of the lever is further to the right, in the hole normally used for the jack. The jack itself has been moved to the underside of the guitar. This is Tom Bradshaw's design.
I believe that placing the lever further to the right the way Tom did is probably better, because it gives that much more room to play with the bar when playing up the neck. One can only guess whether or not having the linkage outside the apron makes any difference in the way the lever operates.
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Mike Sigler
From:
Give Em A Try !
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Posted 10 Jan 2008 4:35 pm
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If you look at the GFI picture, it has 4 changes on the wrist.. up, down left and right... i have seen this guitar and tryed it... with some practice it could work out nice... i know it felt great, and on the money!
MS. |
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Mark van Allen
From:
Watkinsville, Ga. USA
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Posted 11 Jan 2008 9:26 am
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| That GFI lever arrangement looks just like, and may be, the one they built for a handicapped student I had. It took a bit of getting used to, but worked very well and enabled a guy who normally wouldn't be able to to explore pedal steel. Way to go Gene! |
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Parr Bryan
From:
Nacogdoches,Texas
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Posted 11 Jan 2008 10:09 am
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WOW! I THOUGHT THEM THINGS WAS USED TO PLAY FASTER, KIND OF A GEAR SHIFT!  |
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Mike Perlowin
From:
Los Angeles CA
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Posted 11 Jan 2008 10:15 am
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| Parr Bryan wrote: |
| WOW! I THOUGHT THEM THINGS WAS USED TO PLAY FASTER, KIND OF A GEAR SHIFT! |
Wrong thread. See "Herbal Supplements." 
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