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Calvin Walley
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colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 1:15 pm |
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i got Jeff Newmans chord dictionary for christmas and it pains me to say it, but its not worth buying
i wanted it so that i could find chords so that i would not have to ask here, but i can see thats not going to be the case
for example " silver wings " in the key of E
it goes ..E to Emaj7 to E6 then theres an F#minor in it ...and i cant find any of them using Jeffs book
as best i can tell there is no mention of a 6th anywhere. i just wanted a book that i could look up chords in.... its not this one
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Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
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John Roche
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England
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Mike Archer
From:
church hill tn
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 4:03 pm buddy emmons
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get Buddy emmons
e9th cord sheet and cd
he shows them plays them
for you
its available here from bob
look under buddys instruction
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Robert Harper
From:
Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 4:50 pm Chord Chart
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I have one from Mel Bay. Pretty good. However. Seldom can find my glasses to read it with. Time i found them my ADHD has kicked in
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 4:54 pm
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this is the 1st thing i have ever gotten from Jeff that i am disappointed with.
everything is shown in G and trying to transpose to a differant key while looking at the book is completly confusing.
if all you play in is G its great
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Moon in Alaska
From:
Kasilof, Alaska * R.I.P.
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 5:01 pm
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Calvin... this is probably not much help....to change from E chord to E6th simply step on the A pedal.
Moon
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1962 Fender 400
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 5:12 pm
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thanks guys
Doug, i think that i will look for the one you suggested , it sounds like what i want
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Jim Dempsey
From:
Belmar, New Jersey, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 6:03 pm
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| Moon,- Correct me if I'm wrong, but if your on the E chord ( open-12th) and press the A pedal,doesn't that give you a C# minor chord?-Jim |
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Jerry H. Moore
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Newnan, GA, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 7:31 pm
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| I first bought the Mel Bay Chart then the Emmons chart with CD. Both are great. Both are easy to read. |
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Mike Winter
From:
Portland, OR
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 7:38 pm
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What Doug said...the Mel Bay chart is great. I think it will be a big help to you...and cheap, too. 
ebay.com
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 7:38 pm
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Jim Loesberg's stuff is nice in that he sort of talks you through it.
Step on this pedal picking that string or strings on this fret and slide down 2 Etc.
Ken
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Robert Harper
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Alabama, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 7:54 pm Robert Harper
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I transpose this way suppose it is in G and I want to play in say "c". I move 5 frets up and play the same positions and levers. The problem I have is if I an in Say "C" at the 8th fret and I want to play in open E. Among my other prpblems. Dewitt Scott authored my chart
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Colin Mclean
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Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 8:34 pm
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| Jim Dempsey wrote: |
| Moon,- Correct me if I'm wrong, but if your on the E chord ( open-12th) and press the A pedal,doesn't that give you a C# minor chord?-Jim |
It's the same thing, Jim. It raises your B to a C#, which is your 6th in the key of E.
E6= E, G#, C#
C# minor= C#, E, G#.
Same notes, different assignment. 
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Colin Mclean
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Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 8:35 pm
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A. J. Schobert
From:
Cincinnati, Ohio,
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 8:44 pm
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Mel bays is the best I have it and tacked it to the wall.
I have Jeffs course, it is not user friendly, however if you had someone to help explain it, then it may make more sense.
Even though there are a few course of jeffs that I would still get |
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Pat Irvin
From:
Kansas City, Missouri, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 8:45 pm
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don't give up on it Calvin
i also own a lot of the Newman material and at first I was a bit confused on what to do with the Chrod Dictionary
BUT! once i started really trying to understand the theory behind the steel and when i started trying to hear changes and recognize the movement of the notes and where they lead me
well that is when the Chord Dictionary became a LOT MORE interesting, and i spent a lot more time with it
it is as much a reference booklet as it is instruction,
more strategic than tactical instruction
if you want to know the tab for a song i would buy it or search the tab section
but if you want to learn why and how chords work the way they do and approach learning a part from the building blocks then the Chord Dictionary will help you long into the future and on many more tunes
don't give up on it |
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 25 Dec 2007 9:48 pm
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as i said before
i just wanted a book that i could look up chords in
i have the complete honky tonk heros set and there is a lot of chords in it that i don't know so i thought it would give me a way to find them, without having to ask an otherwise dumb question.
but as it turns out, i would have to spend as much time researching the chord/chords that i need, as i do learning the song.
so i think that i am going to do what Doug suggested and get Mel Bays chord chart
i guess i just got frustrated and needed to vent
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Gary Baker
From:
Charlotte, North Carolina
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 4:48 am Re: not worth buying
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| Calvin Walley wrote: |
i got Jeff Newmans chord dictionary for christmas and it pains me to say it, but its not worth buying
i wanted it so that i could find chords so that i would not have to ask here, but i can see thats not going to be the case
for example " silver wings " in the key of E
it goes ..E to Emaj7 to E6 then theres an F#minor in it ...and i cant find any of them using Jeffs book
as best i can tell there is no mention of a 6th anywhere. i just wanted a book that i could look up chords in.... its not this one |
Hi Calvin
While it is not a "book" I can highly recommend the PC software CLICTAB. This is PC based and will give you all you ever need in the way of chord formation info.
I'm still in my first year of pedal steel and this has gotten me further in understanding the chord structure and development than ANY book.
Jeff's courses on A and B Pedal, D Pedal and F Pedal are a must have to get started. (at least for me!).
Then this software picks up from there. The problem is, a "chord book" is only as good as the copendant it represents. But,this software can be configured to ANY copendant from 6 string (guitar) to 14 string pedal steel.
Then you can . . . . well, just check it out for yourself here: www.clictab.com. Ron Turner is the developer and a super great guy.
As for the the "book". What I have done is print out My copendant's chords in ALL positions into a three ring binder. It is about three inches thick!
So now while working on a song, I can quickly find 5 to 6 or more positions for any chord or melody line I'm looking for. It's a little more work to build your own; but when you are done it's exactly what YOU need and if you ever go to a different copendant or different tunings it's still able to reconfigure itself to meet your growing needs.
Good luck and Happy New Year
Bo Baker |
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Phil Halton
From:
Holyoke, Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 7:21 am
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[quote="Jim Dempsey"]Moon,- Correct me if I'm wrong, but if your on the E chord ( open-12th) and press the A pedal,doesn't that give you a C# minor chord?-Jim[/quote]
This is where it gets interesting--an E6 and a C#minor are identical chords. That is to say, a major 6th is a minor 7th and vice versa--they are comprised of the same four notes. That's why, for example, a D6th and a B minor can both be found at the 3rd fret with the E-lower lever.
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Dave Diehl
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Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 7:24 am
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| I have that booklet and found it to be very useful, as with everything Jeff ever produced. It may not be what you were expecting or wanting but I don't believe it's fair to say "it's not worth buying". Jeff was a hugh believer of patterns and taught his classes in that manner. He always said, if you can play it in one key, and learn it as a pattern, you will be able to play it in any key. He forced you into the path of patterns and I have to say, it has had tremendous payoff for me. |
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Bob Hoffnar
From:
Austin, Tx
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 7:47 am
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| ....but as it turns out, i would have to spend as much time researching the chord/chords that i need, as i do learning the song..... |
Calvin, Learning how chords work along with transposing is essential if you want to learn how to play. If you put in a little effort researching it just once you will understand it. To avoid learning this most basic part of playing is self defeating. If you learn how chords work, even on the most basic level, it will make learning songs easy and fast. It will also open up the function of the tuning and levers.
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Calvin Walley
From:
colorado city colorado, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 8:08 am
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well another thing about the book that frustrates me is that i have no way of verifying if i'm right after transposing it to a differant key.
its very easy to be off an fret and not know it
the truth is i most likly overreacted at first,
i just have a bunch of songs i want to learn and didn't want to have to spend the time transposing a lot of unknown chords
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proud parent of a sailor
Mullen SD-10 /nashville 400
gotta love a Mullen!!!
Guitars that i have owned in order are :
Mullen SD-10,Simmons SD-10,Mullen SD-10,Zum stage one,Carter starter,
Sho-Bud Mavrick |
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 8:19 am
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I have been using Scotty's (Mel Bay) chord chart since it only cost $1.50  |
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Chris LeDrew
From:
Canada
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Posted 26 Dec 2007 9:11 am
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| Dave Diehl wrote: |
| I have that booklet and found it to be very useful, as with everything Jeff ever produced. It may not be what you were expecting or wanting but I don't believe it's fair to say "it's not worth buying". Jeff was a hugh believer of patterns and taught his classes in that manner. He always said, if you can play it in one key, and learn it as a pattern, you will be able to play it in any key. He forced you into the path of patterns and I have to say, it has had tremendous payoff for me. |
Dave, this is so true. Maybe the booklet should have a different name. "Dictionary" implies that you're gonna find a compilation of pedal steel chords and their locations. However, it is more about theory and how to negotiate chord progressions in different pedal and lever combinations - probably the most important thing to know about pedal steel. This booklet helped me tremendously, and I still think about it a lot when I play. It is far from "not worth buying". In fact, it's a good bit more valuable than any list of chords. You can know a million chords, but if you do not learn how to put them together they're pretty useless. In my experience, Jeff never produced any material that didn't have immense musical value.
Hold onto that book, Calvin. One day it will prove to be a secret weapon for you.
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