Sho Bud Permanent
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- Phillip Telford
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Sho Bud Permanent
I was Curious to find how old my Bud is. Its a permanent with a complete wood cabinet, no endpates. Looks like the aprons and necks are rosewood, and the top is flame maple. Any ideas?
Thanks, Phil
Thanks, Phil
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Permanent
How many strings does it have -- 8, 9 or 10? Twenty five or 24 inch scale? Roller nut or solid? What are the mechanics underneath? If it has original decal, what does it read? What are the leg threads? Do you have the old tin or steel Hooper case?
I have seen cabinet ends from the fifties and even one with a Permanent changer but Fingertip mechanics underneath, meaning a set up that may be changed without needing a blowtorch.
Mine is pretty blonde birdseye from the fifties, used to be a double eight with red pickups and black necks but was converted in 1959 to a double nine with green necks and green pickups and scale length shortened to 24. I have a solid nut, Madison decal, and Permanent welded mechanics. The E9 neck, or D9 neck is on the inside; C6 is on the audience side.
Do you have a date on the long shafted 100K pots that poke through the end plate and through the wood cabinet end?
I like the long bodied Permanents because you have room to make the lowers a pull rather than a release.
I have seen cabinet ends from the fifties and even one with a Permanent changer but Fingertip mechanics underneath, meaning a set up that may be changed without needing a blowtorch.
Mine is pretty blonde birdseye from the fifties, used to be a double eight with red pickups and black necks but was converted in 1959 to a double nine with green necks and green pickups and scale length shortened to 24. I have a solid nut, Madison decal, and Permanent welded mechanics. The E9 neck, or D9 neck is on the inside; C6 is on the audience side.
Do you have a date on the long shafted 100K pots that poke through the end plate and through the wood cabinet end?
I like the long bodied Permanents because you have room to make the lowers a pull rather than a release.
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Sho-Bud Parts
Sorry forumates, I know this is not related to the topic.
But I'm having a hard time to get parts. In particular 8 pedal rods,
26 inches long. Mine is a Super Pro from 1980 and I need also 2 Bell Cranks and 2 Pull Rods. In case one of you has an other Idea than Ricky Davis or Duane Marrs (Parts out of Stock right now)
Thnx for help
But I'm having a hard time to get parts. In particular 8 pedal rods,
26 inches long. Mine is a Super Pro from 1980 and I need also 2 Bell Cranks and 2 Pull Rods. In case one of you has an other Idea than Ricky Davis or Duane Marrs (Parts out of Stock right now)
Thnx for help
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Sigi, there is a guy selling some in your country
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... light=rods
http://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopi ... light=rods
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PT, it's my understanding that the guitars without endplates were the first made. And a D-10 would have been pretty unusual back then. Roller nuts? My Madison D-10 is a 1959, and it doesn't even have roller nuts. Can you post some pics?
Of course, these were all custom-made guitars, so maybe someone ordered an all wood body late in the Madison era??? Here's a pic of 1 of my keyheads.
The one in the middle. Pay no attention to the cat! She's a camera hog!
Of course, these were all custom-made guitars, so maybe someone ordered an all wood body late in the Madison era??? Here's a pic of 1 of my keyheads.
The one in the middle. Pay no attention to the cat! She's a camera hog!
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John, my guitar, which I got from Al Udeen this year, has the card cluster on the front apron as you have but is inlaid red and black into the maple. It is not a decal. The card suits are a bit elongated from those on the decal.
If you Google Pete Drake you are likely to find a photo of him playing his cabinet end that had bellcranks underneath if I remember correctly. I also remember seeing a brochure from Sho-Bud that offered the "Custom" Permanent model and the Fingertip model and a wood cabinet end option. All guitars had rollers. So, would that have been 1964 at the earliest?
If you Google Pete Drake you are likely to find a photo of him playing his cabinet end that had bellcranks underneath if I remember correctly. I also remember seeing a brochure from Sho-Bud that offered the "Custom" Permanent model and the Fingertip model and a wood cabinet end option. All guitars had rollers. So, would that have been 1964 at the earliest?
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The Perms with wood ends are from 1957 to early 1960. 1959 were the first D-10s. From your desciption I would say late 59 or 60. Rollers did'nt come along till 61 or 62, they were string end balls at first. My first pedal guitar was an all wood perm. I am currently playing a late 60s Perm. and loving it. I'm looking for another one if anyone has one for sale.
Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
"YANKIN' STRINGS & STOMPIN' PEDALS" since 1967.
"YANKIN' STRINGS & STOMPIN' PEDALS" since 1967.
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Sho-Bud offered the cabinet end option at the same time it offered both the Finger tip model and Permanent models. That is not to say you could get a Fingertip with a cabinet end, but it does place the option as available into the Fingertip period.
A gentleman here in the Los Angeles Area has a cabinet end with Permanent changers and Fingertip mechanics underneath.
Sho-Bud offered the cabinet end option at the same time it offered both the Finger tip model and Permanent models. That is not to say you could get a Fingertip with a cabinet end, but it does place the option as available into the Fingertip period.
A gentleman here in the Los Angeles Area has a cabinet end with Permanent changers and Fingertip mechanics underneath.
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I also have a Nashville permanent that I'm going to completely restore. The difference with the Madison permanent and the Nashville permanents were the undercarriage and pull fingers. My Madison had rods welded to one bell crank, and the Nashville has individual bell cranks just like the fingertips. You could change your set ups a lot easier. The pull fingers on the Nashville changer are also wider than the Madison. I also got a fingertip that has a tone that will knock your socks off.
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pictures please
I'll second the request for pictures. I've been collecting pictures of permanents and fingertips. Could you guys post pictures. There aren't a lot of photos of those guitars around. There were so many options of woods, colors and inlays in those days.
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks,
Steve
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