Rains Lower Issue

Lawrence Lupkin · Post by **Lawrence Lupkin** » 29 Nov 2007 8:37 am

I love my Rains SD-10, and I just ran into what seems to be a simple problem, but I can't make heads or tails of it. I lower my 5th string on pedal 4 and RKL. Out of nowhere, they started not lowering enough, and eventually stopped lowering altogether, regardless of pedal or lever. Both the pedal and knee action is working, and the fingers seem to be pulling. When I took off the string, the roller moved all the way out (raised) as if being pulled. I'm not familiar with their raise mechanism, so I took pictures top and bottom. Any thoughts?

Thanks!

Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 29 Nov 2007 9:19 am

I think the unloaded finger position is normal--at least it's the same as on an Emmons LeGrande.

Do the notes fail to lower or fail to return to normal pitch?

Since both pedal and knee exhibit the same behavior I'd suspect the finger is not returning-- that return spring is common to the finger regardless of which pedal/lever activates the pull.
I had a similar problem with a lever years ago and Jack Strayhorn, then at Emmons, told be to tighten the spring one or two turns. He also had to tell me that to rotate the spring I had to disconnet the end, rotate the spring and then reconnect the exposed end.

I'm not sure yours is anything like mine, and I'm not at home to look. With those good pics Gary Carpenter, Bobbe Seymour or someone will be able to help you.

Lawrence Lupkin · Post by **Lawrence Lupkin** » 29 Nov 2007 9:52 am

Thanks Ron. Both knee and lever lower the pitch a tiny amount directly upon being activated, but then continue to the stops with no effect. It returns to pitch perfectly. The raise works perfectly.

The only other thing I noticed is that when adjusting the nylon tuners, there is a range in the middle where that slight lowering of pitch, but it is not effected by adjustment. If I go too far in or out, it does not effectuate the (very)small pitch change.

This does not seem to be a mechanical issue. Both lever and knee engage the rod, and from the top I can even see the spring expand. The roller just doesn't move.

Also, this happened once before, but resolved itself. That is why I was thinking maybe something is stuck.

Also, the knee and lever both lower the pitch the same amount, which also leads me to think there is a blockage.

Ken Higgins · Post by **Ken Higgins** » 29 Nov 2007 10:13 am

Call Gary Carpenter at the Rains factory. The number is on there website and I know he will glad to help you get the problem fix NOW !!!!!

Lawrence Lupkin · Post by **Lawrence Lupkin** » 29 Nov 2007 10:24 am

Thanks Ken. I will.

Martin Weenick · Post by **Martin Weenick** » 29 Nov 2007 11:23 am

Check to see if your nylon hex tuner has stripped out. Martin.

Bill Simmons · Post by **Bill Simmons** » 29 Nov 2007 12:01 pm

Call Gary Carpenter at 817.560.2277 or 817.896.3460...Gary would be more than happy to help you!

Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 29 Nov 2007 12:14 pm

The Rains come with split tuning screws for each string. I encounted the same issue a while back. You need to move that screw out further. I suspect the finger is hitting the end of the screw before you get the string low enough.
OR, you could have a string end wedged in there!

Ken Higgins · Post by **Ken Higgins** » 30 Nov 2007 9:26 am

Lawrence, We all would be interested in what Gary had to say. It will help others if the problem comes up again....

Tim Bridges · Post by **Tim Bridges** » 30 Nov 2007 9:55 am

Erv has suggested where to start. You also might check that the nyon tuners aren's cranked too tight on the pull rod. This will cause the "open" string to detune and you'll never get the lower. However, usually this occurs due to the split tuner screw not being adjusted properly.

There was a really good animated graphic thread that gave very clear instructions on how to tune the split tuner. Maybe someone will remember the thread and give you a link.

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 30 Nov 2007 11:12 am

Patrick Laffrat wrote:With tuning screws through the bridge of the changer:

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Without tuning screws you need extra pull rod
>>>, See John Fabian's video about the split tuning

by Buddy Emmons

David Toney · Post by **David Toney** » 1 Dec 2007 12:35 pm

Lawrence I had a similar problem with my 2007 RAINS.
On mine the fifth string raise was not raising far
enough even after fine tuning several times.I replaced the nylon hex nut with a new one it fixed
my problem.Rains make excellent pedal steel guitars.
David Toney

Lawrence Lupkin · Post by **Lawrence Lupkin** » 3 Dec 2007 3:11 pm

Thanks everyone. Sorry I haven't checked in, but my e-mail alerts seemed to have stopped on their own. Must be that Hotmail problem. I haven't had a chance to call Gary, but when I do, I'll be sure to post my findings.

Ron Page · Post by **Ron Page** » 21 Dec 2007 5:11 am

Any fix on the Rains yet, Lawrence.

CrowBear, what a nice tutorial and annimation on the all-pull changer. I'm going to have to book mark this one.

I'm glad Buddy was not a mechanical engineer, but I'm certain he could have been a good one.

john widgren · Post by **john widgren** » 21 Dec 2007 7:35 am

Lawrence,

I repair, setup, rebuild, service, and tech steels at my shop in CT. You can contact me via email, if you don't get things sorted out. JW

Lawrence Lupkin · Post by **Lawrence Lupkin** » 21 Dec 2007 10:06 am

Thanks Jon. Gary was kind enough to walk me through it. In the end it was the split screw. There must be steel guitar gremlins with Allen wrenches in my house.

Thanks to all who responded.

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