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Jerry Hayes


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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 1:29 pm    
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I was just watching some YouTube videos which reminded me just how much I love Mark Knopfler's playing. To me, "Sultans of Swing" is a freakin' masterpiece. When that record came out I was still in SoCal working six nights a week in a stone country band but it really did something to me. I love everything about the record, even Mark's vocals. I guess Chet saw something in him too or else there wouldn't have been a "Neck and Neck" duet album. His technique really knocks me out. I'd love to play that way! I play with thumb and fingerpicks so the fingerthing is already going but the bare approach like he uses has something I just can't seem to capture. I find lately that although my favorite music is still classic country, I'm beginning to like more of the rock guitarists out there and appreciating more of what's going on in that field. Does anyone out there ever go out of their own yard when it comes to music?.....JH in Va.
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Mike Perlowin


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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 1:52 pm    
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Jerry, I feel that the 2nd Dire Straits album, "Communique" is even better. IMHO it is, from a guitarist's point of view, one of the best, possibly THE best album in the entire history of rock and roll.

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Theresa Galbraith

 

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Goodlettsville,Tn. USA
Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 1:53 pm    
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I sure hope people do Jerry. It's about Music!
I was fortunate enough to have met Mark.
Hear how great he really is. Every performance was excellent! Smile
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scott murray


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Asheville, NC
Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 1:54 pm    
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Knopfler is really in a league of his own in a lot of ways. Very unique. I love some of the extended live versions of "Sultans" too. I think that record did something to a lot of people when it came out... even Steely Dan used Mark on their next album. He plays on "Time Out of Mind" from 'Gaucho'...
They've been using a guy named Jon Herington for several years now. He's a rocker, but he sneaks some country style licks in quite a bit. Plays a Tele too.

there's so many great guitarists i listen to outside the realm of country. where to begin...? From jazz to flamenco to slack key to you name it. Finally got to see Eddie Van Halen for the first time a few weeks ago. what a monster.
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Jerry Hayes


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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 2:08 pm    
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Mike, I don't have that album, I'll have to check it out. The only recording I have is the CD called "Brothers in Arms"....

Theresa, I'll bet that was cool to have a brother working in that band for awhile!

Scott, I agree with you about Eddie Van Halen! I never paid much attention to him until some years back a friend of mine gave me a cassette tape with only one thing on it, "Eruption"...... I'd never heard anything like that in my life. Even an old hillbilly picker like me had to appreciate what he was doing....JH in Va.
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Webb Kline


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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 2:57 pm    
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Knopfler says more with fewer notes and effects than just about anybody out there. Pure genius and incomparable self-control.
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Ben Jones


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Seattle, Washington, USA
Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 4:05 pm    
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anyone hear the album he did last year with Emmylou or see the tour? I gotta get around to listening to that one sometime...
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ajm

 

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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 6:39 pm    
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"Does anyone out there ever go out of their own yard when it comes to music?"

At first I thought that this was a strange question to ask on THIS forum, but then I thought about some other players I know and realized that it applies to all styles and instruments, and not just country or steel guitar.

Some people go out of their "yard" all the time, and some never go out of the house. To each their own. After 35+ years of playing, I'm not sure where my "yard" really is any more. I like being at home, I like walking around the block, and I like hiking in the mountains.

I like listening to EVH or Steve Vai when I'm restringing my steel. When I restring my guitar I might listen to My Heart Skips A Beat/Together Again.

You might favor a couple of different kinds of ice cream more than others, but at least give them all a try. You don't have to like them all, but I'll bet there's a lot that you'll find not too bad.
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Eric Jaeger

 

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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 8:09 pm    
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I go outta my own yard all the time, but I don't like everything I see. When the musicians have to look "purty" and the lights, bombs, smoke and the like are more than the music... I draw the line.

Mark Knopfler looks odd, plays unlike anyone else out there, and is about "just the music, ma'am". Honest, I think we'd call it.

And his album(s) with Emmylou arebfabulous. Worth ten of whatever else Nashville released today.

I will now put on my flame-retardant suit with Mike Smile

-eric
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Dave Mudgett


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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 8:57 pm    
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What's not to like? He plays one note and you know it's him, and it's great.

The thing I have always liked about Knopfler's music is his complete understanding of space in music. He's capable of playing a lot of notes, but never does it for show. A total master of his unique form - often imitated, never equalled. To me, that's what makes a great player.

PSG is a relatively recent thing for me - I played guitar long before I ever touched one, and to the limits of my time, I listen to everything I can get my hands on - instruments or styles. I go out of my back yard at every opportunity - in fact PSG was definitely way out of my back yard. Very glad I took the trip - you never know what's gonna work till you try it.
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LJ Eiffert

 

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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 10:00 pm    
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Hey Jerry,we use's to play like that all the time at D.J.Ranch,don't you remember? A horn and a fiddle with a Steel Guitar with that paino and the lead guitar all added up with that electric drummer.Thank God for the (50's) Fifties because Artist & Musicians in those days gave us ever kind of MUSIC! That's what life was all about for me & still is today. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr.
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scott murray


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Asheville, NC
Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 10:35 pm    
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Mark loves country twang and it comes through in his playing. The 'Neck and Neck' album he cut with Chet Atkins (and Paul Franklin) is classic, as is the Notting Hillbillies. The Emmylou collaborations are wonderful... I don't think anyone really saw that coming.

Didn't he quit Dire Straits for a little while in the late 70s (right after Sultans) to tour and record with Dylan? His playing on the 'Slow Train' album really shines. "I Believe In You" wouldn't be the same without him...
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Stephen Gambrell

 

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Post  Posted 17 Oct 2007 10:55 pm    
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Knopfler couldn't "quit" Dire Straits. The band was always Mark, and whatever backup musicians he chose. He fired his brother from the original lineup.
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Brint Hannay

 

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Post  Posted 18 Oct 2007 5:40 am    
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Mark loves country twang and it comes through in his playing. The 'Neck and Neck' album he cut with Chet Atkins (and Paul Franklin) is classic, as is the Notting Hillbillies.

I agree. Those are two of my favorite albums. The Notting Hillbillies seems under-appreciated, unless everyone's just digging it quietly. A bonus is that Paul Franklin plays a lot on that album, with imagination, taste, and economy.
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Jerry Erickson

 

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Atlanta,IL 61723
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2007 6:38 am    
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One of my favorites is "Your Latest Trick".
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Donny Hinson

 

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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2007 8:14 am    
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I agree (for once Wink ) SOS is a great song, almost "anti-rock" in it's simplicity and open-ness, with no crashing cymbals, no thundering eighth notes on the bass drum, no droning keyboards, no screaming distortion on the lead guitar, and no yelling unintelligible lyrics into a distorted mike.

I wonder...can we even classify it as rock-n-roll? Confused

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"Does anyone out there ever go out of their own yard when it comes to music?"


Of course they do! You must understand, though, that sometimes, when a small minority calls something "trash", and the vast majority approves of it, it can still really be trash.

Contrary to what some might believe, popularity and quality often do not go hand-in-hand.
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Eric Jaeger

 

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Oakland, California, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2007 8:23 am    
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Donny Hinson wrote:

Contrary to what some might believe, popularity and quality often do not go hand-in-hand.


I'd modify that to "popularity and quality *usually* do not go hand in hand". At least not for long.

-eric
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David Mason


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Cambridge, MD, USA
Post  Posted 18 Oct 2007 3:12 pm    
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Did you know that Steve Howe of the original bombastic progressive rock band Yes, is a stone-cold Chet Atkins fiend? Steve Morse (now with Deep Purple) is certainly one of the best chicken-pickers ever (ask his friend Albert Lee); Eric Johnson is a great country guitarist, as is blues/fusioner Andy Timmons. Brent Mason plays killer rock and roll, above-mentioned Albert Lee toured in Eric Clapton's band, ummm - why not? My favorite guitarists of all time are John McLaughlin, Steve Morse and nylon-string killers Eliot Fisk & Paco De Lucia, but I try to keep an open mind.
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ajm

 

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Post  Posted 18 Oct 2007 4:26 pm    
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"You must understand, though, that sometimes, when a small minority calls something "trash", and the vast majority approves of it, it can still really be trash. "

It's also true that one man's trash is another man's treasure.

I think that the original question asked if anyone ever listened to different styles of music for whatever reason, and maybe also wondered what everyone listens to. I sense that this post is drifting away from the original topic again.
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Tom Olson

 

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Spokane, WA
Post  Posted 19 Oct 2007 2:52 pm    
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I guess my answer would depend on the definition of "your own yard." In my own opinion, I think my tastes in music are widely varied. However, I also tend to be selective in what I really like. For example (and please do not take offense to this because none is intended), I honestly do not like Mark Knopfler -- not as a guitarist, not as a singer, and not even as a song writer.

I guess it just goes to show that nobody will appeal to everybody all the time.
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Matt Dawson

 

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Luxembourg, Europe
Post  Posted 21 Oct 2007 11:30 am    
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I never really understood what all the fuss was about. He can obviously play the guitar but I don't hear anything very special that Albert & Hank Marvin didn't do long before. All the big names who want to work with him obviously hear somthing I don't. When I saw Dire Straits in '77 at the Deptford Albany the whole evening was Clapton & JJ Cale covers. That was actually a very nice evening, but I have to say Twisting by the Pool & Money for Nothing are truly horrible songs..and the poor chap isn't much of a singer either.
Hmm...no accounting for taste.
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ajm

 

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Post  Posted 21 Oct 2007 3:30 pm    
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Mark Knopfler can't be that good. They haven't spoofed him on Youtube yet.
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Gordy Hall


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Fairfax, CA.
Post  Posted 21 Oct 2007 6:14 pm    
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As a songwriter, Knofler is heads and hands above most.

His ability to take any situation and turn it into a song is nothing short of genius.

On his 'Shangrila' album, he tells about Ray Kroc, the founder of McDonald's, he tells of Sonny Liston, he sings about 'paradise' (Shangrila, with some fabulous pedal steel by Mr. Paul Franklin), an embezzeler, and much much more. On "sailing to Philidelphia', his version of the interchanges between Mason and Dixon are pure genius.

He is one of the masters, from his playing to his choice of bandmates to his singing.

The world is blessed to have him around.

Gordy
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Henry Nagle

 

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Santa Rosa, California
Post  Posted 21 Oct 2007 6:14 pm    
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His stage persona might be a little sedate for a you tube spoof.

I think he's a fantastic musician.
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Herb Steiner


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Briarcliff TX 78669, pop. 2,064
Post  Posted 22 Oct 2007 10:31 am    
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My favorite Dire Straits' song is "Walk of Life." It's a great groove, great melody, and it's about the life of playing in a cover band working small clubs.

And of course "Money For Nothing" is about working class stiffs stating their opinions on the lifestyles of rock musicians. Hilarious!!
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