What Might They Think These Days?

James Cann · From: Phoenix, AZ

Let's see where this goes.

I've just been looking through a catalog of CDs, etc., of country artists we all know of and recognize. Many of whom are gone now, those still alive heard mainly on the Opry, and despite still doing their thing one way or another, few if any heard on the radio for all their visibility and success. It's a great catalog for collection buffs.

With that, here's the question. What do these people think of what CM and its scene have become? Who out there knows any of them well enough to have discussed it directly, heard the feedback and ideas, and are willing to share it (without betraying confidences, of course)?

Leslie Ehrlich · From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

Who cares about 'the scene'? The old music is still around. The artists may be gone, but the recordings live on.

Charles Davidson · From: Phenix City Alabama, USA

THEIR RECORDINGS LIVE ON.HALLELUJAH FOR THAT,DONT'T YOU KNOW.
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Theresa Galbraith · From: Goodlettsville,Tn. USA

Some will love the direction it's gone and some will not.
What can we do about it?

Bill Dobkins · From: Rolla Missouri, USA

I have had numerous talks with Dave Kirby, Leona Williams,Darrell McCall and others about this. There is a movement, mainly in Texas,fighting to get classic country back in the mainstream. Its starting to spill over into other states.Its up to us to not let it die. I have visited several radio stations about why they don't play classic country. They say its a younger market and they don't want to hear it.
well how can radio tell, when the younger sect isn't being exposed to it.
As I have said before there is room for all kinds of music.
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Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

At least some of them who are still around believe that most of the new singers are just prima-donnas, spoiled by too much fame, too soon. Those new artists who are remembered 20 years from now will be few and far between, and those who are still recording will be even fewer.

It's become a business built on fluff and image, rather than real talent and style, and the "cookie-cutter" sameness of artists only adds to the dilemma.

LJ Eiffert · From: California, USA

Hey James Cann, You are from what once was a hot spot for Country Music Radio Stations & Artist -Musicians with many Country Night Clubs. Your Question: What do these people think of what Country Music and it's scene have come? First what people are you talking about? Give Me [us] some names to start with.It's Easy to understand what's wrong with today Country Music,it's not real and nor are the people who are calling the shots.Here again,what people! I know who they are,but,do you? For me to Educate you to these people you think are running this Country Music world or any other music,the award shows tell you who they are.I have a Book Coming out with the right MONEY called, Who used who?,My Memories! I'm sitting on it.it's done, but,I'm waiting for the right time to put it out. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. & Pigeons. Sincerely in Country Music....

Paul King · From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

All I ever hear is the young people do not want it. What about us older ones? Do we not count? This same stuff has spilled over into the churches as well. I hear the same thing, the young people do not want it. What about us older ones? These young people today scare the daylights out of me with what they want and it is just not in music. I bet if Roy Accuff could see the Grand Ole Opry today he would be cleaning house. I am on the bandwagon to get back to what has worked for years and that is good country music. I ain't spending one dollar to watch a bunch of this stuff that is out today. I saw Mel Tillis two months ago and that concert was great. The music was good and the singing was too. But he is an oldtimer and the young people do not want to hear that. What is Mel supposed to do, quit singing because the young people do not want to hear him? Getting back to the good old country is not happening fast enough for me.

Stephen Gambrell · From: Over there

Was the "good old country" as good as some of us think? I remember when a local radio station STOPPED playing bluegrass music---too "Country." The whole "Nashville Sound" mess that Chet created (and later apologized for?)
Us old folks do not count in the market. I don't like it, but that's the way it is. I wanna hear Robbie Fulks, Steve Earle, the Derailers, or Dale Watson on the radio, but it ain't gonna happen, people. Ray Price cut that terrific album a couple of years ago, and it tanked. Willie cut an album of Cindy Walker tunes, and it sunk. How much of this music do we (the crowd that complains about NCS) go out and BUY??? Money talks, and you know the rest...

LJ Eiffert · From: California, USA

Hey Paul King,it starts in you own backyard.If you want to be the leader,then you better have more Money then they do.It all about the MONEY.Just look at what you have.How did you get it if nobody gave it to you.I know,I worked hard for it.With them, it easy for them to steal it form us & we support them every time you play a song.Let's keep crying here & you know what they are doing,>>>>>>>!I've been on the Academy A.. of Country Music for what our Southern California Local Musicians who Build this before some young bunch of nobodies who are somebody, called me a low life,and guess what it has got me? Just Ask Bob Romeo or Paul Shefrin and take a good look at Nashville too! When I was told once,you better do what they say or they'll kill your Career,I said what Career.They all think I'm bad at them & want to kill what I [we] Builded,Crazy! All I want is what everybody wants.Country Music And Not A bunch of Frogs on the air with no name and the once who think they or king of our neightborhood radio Station. So,if you can fix that in your own back yard then it will manerfest our nation,The United State of our Country. Good Luck,& if I can help you in your neightborhood on this matter let me know because I support right from worng & what going on in our Country Music & Radio Stations you can thank the Unions. Remember this matter is about right & right not about rich or poor. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr.

Tim Harr · From: Dunlap, Illinois

I think that if it (modern country music) wasn't marketed as real country music...then maybe so many folks would be so excited and upset all of the time?

Country Music is a true American art form as is Jazz.

It should be allowed to evolve as you should be able to enjoy the "period" of country music you most enjoy.

my $.02

Paul King · From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

Yes Leo, Money does play a major part in anything these days. The dollar talks for sure. I just hate having something pushed on me I do not want. I guess they have the right to do what they want and I have the right not to listen to it, or better yet not even buy it and put money in their pockets.

Dennis Graves · From: Maryville, Tennessee

I definitely don't like this "country" crap they have on the radio now. They all sound alike. When Hank, Lefty, Merle, Conway and many, many more sang one note after the kick-off, you knew who it was.
I won't buy this stuff...I won't listen to it either. We have a classic county station locally and I'm happy for that.
It's all about money and money rules the world, at least for right now.

Bill Dobkins · From: Rolla Missouri, USA

There are a lot of good country songs today(lyric wise) Thier just not being done country. I don't have to have the old stuff all the time. the new is OK. But if they are going to call it country, I want it to sound so. With steel, fiddle, good vocal's and harmony. Am I asking to much ?
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LJ Eiffert · From: California, USA

It's amazing the people who start a topic!,I wonder what part in the real Music Business world do they play.Is it the satisfaction of input or is it,uneasniess.Let's see,James Cann started this one now,so,help me out here Paul King,Stephen Gambell,Dennis Graves,Tim Harr & Bill Dobkins.What Country Music do you real want? The one's who have been around for ever.Are is it the one's before that, let say 30's,40's,50's,or 60's,70's.80's,90's,2000. For me it the real History of who made Country Music what it is from every neighborhood in our United States 0f America that has made big business out of the ACM & CMA from us local Musicians all across this land.Once again I say Right is right and wrong is wrong.If we would all fix our own backyard.The Musician Union/Night Clubs/ Radio Stations and get real D J's ,we all would be happy,right. Wrong, cause it ain't gonna happen. But,I'll keep trying til my mission is done one way are the other. A California state Country Hall of Fame for the real Country Musicians who played apart in what today Country Music Career makers don't care about in what we did in the 60's,70's,80's,us old boys who are still here. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr.& Pigeons

Dom Franco · From: Beaverton, OR, 97007

When Big Band Swing in the 1930s-40s was popular, "Hillbilly music" was frowned upon by the elite but loved by many of us country folk.

In those days "Western Swing" was a compromise or hybrid of sorts. Blending Swing, Jazz, Blues with Country and Western. (Fiddles and Steel Guitar instead of horns) THIS IS MY FAVORITE MUSIC but I still like the original stuff.

Fast Forward to the 1970s. Most country radio stations were playing Buck Owens and Merle Haggard and wouldn't play the EAGLES or Jackson Browne. (They were too "Country Rock". But now record companies and radio stations have compromised and most of the New country sounds like 70's rock! I still like the old stuff, but the new music is pretty good.

Dom

Tim Harr · From: Dunlap, Illinois

This type of thread always amazes me..

All of you that "dis" new country or modern country are also showing gross disrespect to MANY of the members of the SGF.

Now maybe it doesnt bother many of them ..but then to the ones that do not participate here, perhaps it does....and maybe that's why.

I find it crazy that many on the SGF come down hard on acts like Rascal Flatts, Big and Rich, Gretchen Wilson, Steve Holy, Kenny Chesney, etc...

But then turn around and leg hump members like Paul Franklin, Steve Hnson, Travis Toy, Dave Ristrim, Dave Spires, Dan Dugmore, Mike Johnson, and even Buddy Emmons....

They are some (if not most) of the steelers that play on these records that many of you are chewing up and spitting out.

You can have your opinion and you can voice it here.. that is what America is all about...

However, when you overtly display distain for these country artists you are showing tremendous disrespect to our members of the forum.

If you need to have issues... then have issues that country music is not marketed properly.... give our forum brothers a break..

Many will criticize what they do not understand...

Larry Strawn · From: Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.

Tim,

I think I need to agree with you on the disrespect! Much of the new "Country" I don't like, so I don't buy the CD's, or play the music. Some songs that I don't like are real popular in the club scene,so quess what, when requested I play them to the best of my ability! [that is what keeps the band working]

Even tho to me IMO the song isn't country, and I don't like it, it took some very fine pickers to pull this project together. So IMO when you're dissing some artist or song, you should remember your're also dissing these great musicians, to me that's a lot of disrespect of some great players!

Even though I consider myself a country person, and don't like all of this so called new country, there's also a lot of the "old" country I don't like also! Got my flame suit on, go ahead! Very Happy

Larry
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Tim Harr · From: Dunlap, Illinois

Very robust with classic artists - - Still drawing a great crowd in Nashville!!

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LJ Eiffert · From: California, USA

Tim, A great line up for the opry beings they all get a check for their performance.As for That line up of people they can't change a thing about this Country Music Business,Powerless just like me, a voice.I have respect for all Music and it's Artist.What I don't have respect for is the people I know who are just out to pimp the Artist who are green,And the ones who get smart about it, you can fine them homeless,almost.Just like our Country these here United States,it's gonna take a real destruction of rockets before all the people running this Country of our wake up.God Can't help us all. He only help's those who help themself.My good friend and part time boss Cliffie stone once said to me,one day you'll be filling my shoes for our Country Music.Little did I know he was right.For me it's to educate all parts of this music business to all you green and young ones on this forum about right & wrong with respect. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr. a Legend in Country Music....

James Cann · From: Phoenix, AZ

LJ Eiffert · From: California, USA

Hello Mr. James Cann,Thanks for the topic.I'm not disrespecting your words.Their is a whole lot more to this Music Business some would like to keep it as a control Industry.But,with this new world of myself being able to write to you like this on the internet they have no control. Like Mr.Dick Clark once told me,as lone as you write the truth you will be o.k.,but,if you make things up it will get you.My whole life for me has been the real honest under dog.It's my duty to Educate the young-Musicians & Artist & the elders who don't know the system of the Music-World. I've paid my dues for everydoby who has been mislead. Leo J.Eiffert,Jr./ My real name not some stage name to run from not paying the toll.

Jack Francis · From: Queen Creek, Arizona, USA

They don't make buggy whips any more and I can't get milk delivered by a guy in white pants and shirt.

Mom and pop stores have been replaced by giant corporations.

Insurance sold on line is hurting your local agents.

Kinkos and anyone with no experience can buy a computer and vinyl cutter and start selling signs and banners and hurting old sign dudes.

Music and just about everything else we grew up with is being reduced to "Cookie Cutter" simplicity... Oh Well

To quote Johhny.."I don't like it but I guess things happen that way!" Rolling Eyes

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