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Eric Corgey
From: Texas, Friendswood
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 9:25 am
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I was approached by the manager of a Starbucks's store near my home to come play music for a promotion they were having on Aug 23. We agreed to a 2 hour show for $200. The 4 piece band I play with showed up on time and played for 2 1/2 hours and every one there said they really enjoyed it.
As we were packing up, I approached the manager and asked if she was happy with everything. She gushed and exclaimed how good we sounded and then proceeded to tell me that I needed to send an invoice to corporate headquarters for payment of the $200. I thought we were going to be payed cash on the spot, but I just payed the rest of the guys out of my pocket and was resigned to wait a couple of days or maybe a week for my money.
Here it is almost 6 weeks later--no payment. I go up there and ask about it and she just shrugs and says she hasn't heard anything. She doesn't seem very concerned about it.
It just seems amazing to me that a multi-billion dollar company would stiff musicians for 200 bucks. I will never buy anything from them again. Sorry this is so long, but I just needed to vent |
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Stu Schulman
From: Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 9:31 am
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It sounds like your still gonna get the money.I wouldn't cut myself off from them....In Fact I'm on my second Frappuccino!A Vanilla one at that. _________________ Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Bob Blair
From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 9:54 am
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Send a polite reminder letter to whoever the contact at corporate HQ was who the invoice was sent to, attaching a copy of the invoice and cc'ing the manager of the Starbucks. Invite the person to call you if they have any questions or concerns.
I speak from long experience with organizations of all sizes. Sometimes invoices just get lost in the shuffle, or languish in someone's in-basket. The larger the organization the more chances there are for that to happen. |
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Earl Foote
From: Houston, Tx, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 10:00 am StarBucks
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Next time they ask you to do a gig, show up six or seven weeks after the gig date.  |
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Ben Jones
From: Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 10:11 am
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what Bob said, with the added incentive of threatening to go public with your story if you dont get a timely (already too late)response. |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Jim Cohen
From: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 10:50 am
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Tell them you'll accept payment in lattes. |
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James Morehead
From: Prague, Oklahoma, USA - R.I.P.
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 11:20 am
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When the gig is set up is when I ask when we get paid. If they say it takes a month, ect. to get our money, I politely tell them we get paid at the end of the night, and they are to call when the check is issued, and in their hand, and then we are more than happy to play. It usually ends there, but at least I don't get stiffed out of my money and time. I may stay at home that evening, but I make as much(nothing), and don't wear out myself, and equipment. |
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Billy Wilson
From: El Cerrito, California, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 11:26 am
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Go to your local TV station and have them report on this matter. The check will be in your hand lickety split. |
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Bo Borland
From: South Jersey -
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 11:34 am
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Lots of times you may work for an agent that gets the dough then sends you yours..
But for this gig, I would have specified payment before you start the show.. in gold  _________________ Bo Borland
Rittenberry SD10 , Derby D-10, Quilter TT12, Peavey Session 400 w/ JBL, NV112, Fender Blues Jr. , 1974 Dobro 60N squareneck, Rickenbacher NS lapsteel, 1973 Telecaster Thinline, 1979 blonde/black Frankenstrat
Currently picking with
Mason Dixon Band masondixonband.net |
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Ray Minich
From: Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 12:20 pm
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Corporate America accounts payable has gone "net 60 days" for the little accounts... |
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John De Maille
From: On a Mountain in Upstate Halcottsville, N.Y.
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 12:33 pm
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Yes, you'll probably get the check, and then have to declare it on your income and pay the taxes on it. Greenbacks in your hand are a much better way to do business with that small of a payment. We get stuck every year with the county and state park jobs we do. Uncle Sam always gets a cut. |
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Skip Edwards
From: LA,CA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 12:35 pm
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To quote Chuck Berry...
"The guitar comes out the guitar case when the money goes in the guitar case" |
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Russ Tkac
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 12:55 pm
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Send a revised invoice at $200 a man. That would be more in line.  |
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 12:59 pm
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I guess you just learned the lesson most of us already have. Before you ever quote a price for a gig, the first questions you should ask them are...
"When will we get paid?", and
"How will we be paid?
The reason being that if you're paid in cash, then you should cut them a break on the price. A check (or a signed receipt) is traceable, and should be claimed as income on somebody's tax return. Around here, payment by check (especially a corporate or government check) kicks the "going rate" for a gig by around 25%.
It usually doesn't hurt to tell them that cash is king, and cash gets them the best price.
Business is business.  |
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Dave Zirbel
From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 1:06 pm
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Make up a contract and request a deposit of half the payment if you dealing with corporate clients.
Dave |
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Jeff Garden
From: Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 2:28 pm
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Order lots of Starbuck's overpriced coffee and food to go for the band, pick up the order, and when you get to the cash register, tell them to send a bill to your agent.  |
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Jon Hyde
From: Seattle, Washington, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 2:50 pm
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Hey Eric, I sent you an e-mail... Check your in box!
Thanks, Jon |
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Stu Schulman
From: Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 5:54 pm
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Jon,I didn't want to Rat you out....Stu  _________________ Steeltronics Z-pickup,Desert Rose S-10 4+5,Desert Rose Keyless S-10 3+5... Mullen G2 S-10 3+5,Telonics 206 pickups,Telonics volume pedal.,Blanton SD -10,Emmons GS_10...Zirctone bar,Bill Groner Bar...any amp that isn't broken.Steel Seat.Com seats...Licking paint chips off of Chinese Toys since 1952. |
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Henry Nagle
From: Santa Rosa, California
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 6:25 pm
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Vandalism is the only way to deal with these people.  |
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Jim Sliff
From: Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 6:55 pm
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Send them a "Past Due" invoice. |
Yep.
Corporate gigs are almost always a 45-60 day payment process (or longer...or never, because there was no authorization, no purchase order, and no invoice) UNLESS you do it professionally, and use a contract that spells out your payment terms as "net 30 days"...which gives you about a 50-50 chance of being paid within 30 days of invoice receipt (and yes, that means you send them an invoice - not just have the branch manager sign a contract...and attach a copy of said contract to the invoice).
Corporations don't pay the night of a gig - ever, in my experience. And if you don't use a contract for gigs, IMO that's a very big mistake. All terms should be in writing - date, time, number of sets, break lengths, payment - there are books at any major bookstore regarding the music business that have sample contracts - they are not valid in every state but are better than nothing.
I can't even fathom taking paying gigs with no contract. Without one, you have absolutely no proof anyone promised to pay at all. At least with a contract (even a "boilerplate" bad one) you have some leverage. _________________ No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Eric Corgey
From: Texas, Friendswood
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 9:03 pm
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Thanks everybody for all the suggestions. I haven't had much experience with corporations. It's kinda like dealing with the government  |
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Kevin Hatton
From: Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted 2 Oct 2007 11:20 pm
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Charge them a $100.00 late fee compounded monthly at 23% interest. |
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Eric Corgey
From: Texas, Friendswood
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Posted 3 Oct 2007 1:33 am
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Kevin...that would buy me maybe six of their coffees
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 3 Oct 2007 1:43 am
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you will get paid. You are now in the hands of a Corporate Accounts Payable clerk ..you were probably placed in the NEXT cycle, they do not pay things everyday, they have a set routine .
When working for Corporate accounts or any ACCOUNT for that matter, it is wise to discuss PAYMENT at the time of negotiation.
We have done some large STAGE shows thru agencies where we got paid maybe 60 days later, so late in fact, we forgot we even did the gig !
I used to run a cleaning service part time, all corporate accounts. I never dealt with the stores at all, everything was thru home offices several states away. Payment generally ran 45 days, even when they claimed inside 30...
did you get free coffee at least ?
Next time when you book the gig, they CAN get a check ahead of time if requested early enough..that is if they WANT to..it is possible. |
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