Hum?

Rick Schmidt · Post by **Rick Schmidt** » 1 Sep 2007 8:50 am

The hum is still humming at 9:43am pacific time, but I really do appreciate your broadcast of the jazz room! Thanks!

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 1 Sep 2007 8:53 am

The announcer just said "Hopefully the hum is gone. If not, let us know."
I hope that I'm not being rude when I repeat what I said yesterday. If someone at steelradio.com would listen to the broadcast, you wouldn't have to ask questions like that. There is not much point in reiterating that the hum has been at the same level for 2 days, if no one there has listened! Surely someone at ISGC has a computer that you could borrow for a few seconds.

Russ Tkac · Post by **Russ Tkac** » 1 Sep 2007 9:04 am

Still humming ... but the playing is fantastic.

Thanks
Russ

Lana Rosselli · Post by **Lana Rosselli** » 1 Sep 2007 9:35 am

Thanks folks! I'm glad you're enjoying the music.

We are listening and we have several people here at the hotel logged into the Net listening and reporting back to us. From here, we do not hear a constant loud hum or buzz. It seems to be something intermittent. However...I will reiterate that we are listening via computers, headphones, and open room - we heard a faint buzz before but after our modification this morning, this noise is gone- at least from the computers here.

So sorry for your inconvenience. We are trying and have tried to bring you the music from the largest steel guitar convention in the world. But when you are remote, you have to work with other people's toys.

Thanks for your patience.

Bosse Engzell · Post by **Bosse Engzell** » 1 Sep 2007 10:10 am

Still Hum, Ground loop?? Try to help. Good music.
Bosse in Sweden

CrowBear Schmitt · Post by **CrowBear Schmitt** » 1 Sep 2007 11:03 am

Comin'in fine on my end
right now i'm listening to Paul Franklin & i don't hear no hum

hum a ditty or no humidity , Thanx to all of you at steel radio fer makin'it happen

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 2 Sep 2007 3:25 am

Bosse, for god's sake don't confuse the issue with technical terms like "Ground Loop" it may get solved !!

After all buttons were meant to be "Selected or pushed, and FADERS to be moved, unlike

I now know which buttons to move!

with statements like that, what do you expect, a level of professionalism approaching that that's on stage ? No Chance !!

steve takacs · Post by **steve takacs** » 2 Sep 2007 4:10 am

Here in Beijing, I'm happily listening to the sounds from St Louis & do not notice the hum during the music. Many thanks, steve t

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 2 Sep 2007 4:35 am

Lana Rosselli · Post by **Lana Rosselli** » 2 Sep 2007 6:26 am

I just want to say that I have truly enjoyed myself here at the 2007 International Steel Guitar Convention and being able to bring you portions of the main stage.

Additionally, I would like to apologize for many of you having to suffer from my learning curve of a new mixer board for which I was first introduced to on Thursday. However, to insult me is totally uncalled for. If you are so unhappy with the performance of this station and/or me...you do realize you can turn it off.

I hope the rest of you enjoy today's broadcast.

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 2 Sep 2007 6:48 am

Sorry Lana I didn't realize that there were mixing desks that had buttons that you could "Move"
My mistake.
Are you not a "Dedicated Amateur" as opposed to someone whos profession it is ?
Where's the insult ?
One would expect a "NON professional" to confuse the terminology sometimes.

Lana Rosselli · Post by **Lana Rosselli** » 2 Sep 2007 7:34 am

Mr. basilh

You have done nothing but continuously insult our/my efforts here at SteelRadio.com. Yes I am a 'dedicated amateur' but the engineers who have set up this system at the ISGC are not. And that includes those on stage who have had issues with amps, guitars, mics, etc. I dare you to make the same comment to anyone who has graced this stage.

To be more specific on your question "Where's the insult?" If I must spell it out for you...You insulted my professionalism - something you obviously know nothing about. My professionalism is far higher than you could ever achieve.

Secondly, you have insulted my intelligence. Something, again you haven't a clue about. I would recommend you not even go there.

Finally, you have insulted our efforts in general. SteelRadio is funded by one person with a few donations by those who do appreciate what we are doing. No one at this station gets paid, whatever profit we do make goes right back into the operation of this station. By the way - where is YOUR station?

Why I even bother to reply...? It doesn't matter what I or anyone else says, you will never be satisfied.

Of course we could always just turn it off, pack up and go home but that really wouldn't be fair to those who do appreciate us now would it? So instead of cutting everyone else off, why don't you just not listen?

Al Marcus · Post by **Al Marcus** » 2 Sep 2007 8:54 am

I have been enjoying the convention on Steel Radio, hum and all. I have also enjoyed Miss Lana's interviews and the good steel playing.

No one is perfect in THIS World, and nothing is perfect in THIS World. Enjoy....al.

:)

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 2 Sep 2007 8:58 am

Lana, we love you! And we thank you for all that you have brought us from ISGC. Nobody is trying to insult you or anybody else. We just want to communicate to your engineers that the extreme changes in program level sometimes prevent us from hearing the music and speech.

Lana Rosselli · Post by **Lana Rosselli** » 2 Sep 2007 9:40 am

Thank you Al and Ernest. Communication I can appreciate and every comment was passed along to the engineers. I know they worked long and hard to try and correct the problems but at some point it falls out of our control. That is unfortunate. Maybe one day we will be able to travel with a complete studio set up and satelite like the commercial stations do...ahh the dreams we have!

Thanks again and thanks for tuning in.

admin · Post by **b0b** » 2 Sep 2007 10:44 am

Thank you Lana for continuing to check the Forum in addition to your microphone duties. We really appreciate all of the work you've put into this broadcast.

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 2 Sep 2007 3:37 pm

By the way - where is YOUR station?

I sold all my radio interests in 1990, BUT I owned and OPERATED these :-

1.ALR owned by Anthony Magliocca and myself,
(Athlone)

2.South West Radio, myself and Dermot and Michael Moriarty, (Kerry, Tralee)

3.Longford Radio, Myself and Frankie McDonald.

Those were the stations I owned, as well as that I built antennae, encoders and transmitters for many other stations in Ireland as well as training the staff.

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 3 Sep 2007 8:05 am

Lana, I think everyone appreciates the effort put into the broadcasts. I think (in my interpretation) Baz's comments are a combination of purely technical nature coupled with a little British sarcastic humor - I do notbelieve he was trying to insult you or anyone, but he was correcting technical statements. After all, "radio" broadcasts are a technical project, and when terminology is misused it CAN seem as if some of the boradcast issues were due to a lack of it being a well-funded, commercial operation.

For a shoestring budget project run by folks doing it for the love of the music, I think some problems are to be expected. But if they are not pointed out by people who are or have been professionals in the boradcast industry, how else are the Steelradio folks going to learn?

Doug's comment about levels is a case in point, and one long discussed (the "Opticode" threads are a prime example) - and still baffling to those who have been around the broadcast world, as it was apparent Steelradio did not want to listen to the suggestions - either because they felt they didn't ned to change, or were still stuck on the one late player's comments about "changes" in HIS music.

I'm very thankful the station exists...I'm very thankful for the long hours and tremendous effort put in at the convention. I DO think the chip needs to drop off the shoulder, though, and folks should gratefully take advice from people who know the technical side. Saying "if you don't like it, turn it off" is a greater insult than offering correct technical terminology IMO.

Lana, please don't consider THIS post an insult as well - because it's not. You guys did a great job with tools you had to work with. I just wish you all were more willing to accept advice about "tools" that would improve the station, and not consider every piece of constructive criticism an insult.

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 3 Sep 2007 9:19 am

Baz's comments are a combination of purely technical nature coupled with a little British sarcastic humor

The nail hit squarely on the head.
Vitriolic pen is and has always been my trademark, as are "puns"
Unfortunately the British sense of humour DOESN'T travel the Atlantic very well, just like fine French wine, it spoils somewhere along the way.

At NO time did I DIRECTLY criticize Lana's Professionalism, (the technicians, maybe),in fact, If one was so inclined as to study the phraseology of my posts, a lot of what I say is ambigious and can be taken a couple of different ways depending on the mindset of the recipient.
One would find that the term "Dedicated Amateur" is defined as a person that can often exceed the normal level of professionalism purely because of their "Dedication".
A Dedication, in this instance, to which I am trying to add a little of my experience.

Alan Brookes · Post by **Alan Brookes** » 3 Sep 2007 11:50 am

Dana: There's no maliciousness in Basil. He's a very friendly fellow who would go out of his way to help anyone. To give you some idea of that, he's donated his entire earnings over the last two years to Diabetes Research.

He managed a radio station for many years, and is very well-versed in electronics of sound and transmission, so much so that he tends to be a bit of a perfectionist. If he sounds overcritical it's just that British temperament of cynicism, combined with a sense of humour that sometimes gets Americans going...

Since moving from England to California 27 years ago I've had to tone it down to avoid offending people. Basil, on the other hand, has never lived over here.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 3 Sep 2007 12:02 pm

Shouldn't that read one penny, not one pence?

Jim Sliff · Post by **Jim Sliff** » 3 Sep 2007 3:37 pm

Heck, I'm Hawaiian and you'd think I'd get ticked off at Baz trying to be one! Get one tan, brah'!

Seriously - he's nothing but a good guy who can come off different in "translation".

Alan Brookes · Post by **Alan Brookes** » 3 Sep 2007 7:48 pm

Earnest Bovine wrote:Shouldn't that read one penny, not one pence?

Yes.

I think the confusion arises because some checks are printed ________ Pounds and ________ Pence, and you fill in the blanks, so people get used to seeing the expression in that format.

But you're absolutely right. "Pence" is the plural of "Penny" and etymologically is a running-together over the years of the word "Pennies" which nowadays is only used to refer to the coins themselves, not the amount. It's been such a long time now since decimilisation on 15th February, 1971, that there are adults in Britain who have never used the old currency, and I've heard younger people mispronounce the old currency.
"Threepence" used to be pronounced "Threppunce"
"Halfpenny" used to be pronounced "Ape Knee".

Conversion of the currency created so much verbal confusion that people stopped using the word "penny" for a while, and used the initial P alone. So five pence would be "five pee". This had to be done because the old sixpence coin remained in circulation long after the new currency was introduced, so that even though the coin said "Six Pence" it was actually worth "Two and a Half (New) Pence". To this day the abbreviation P is often verbalised, whereas the old abbreviation of D (for dinarius) never was.

Jim Cohen · Post by **Jim Cohen** » 3 Sep 2007 8:16 pm

Fascinating treatise. Thanks!

basilh · Post by **basilh** » 4 Sep 2007 12:59 am

That particular cheque was our earnings for ONE night, our last Birmingham Symphony Hall show, it equates to just over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Last Friday and Saturday we were on a show with Daniel O'Donnell and raised $50,000 for the Daniel O'Donnell Romanian Orphans Appeal
That's what we do. (That of course is separate to me making caustic remarks about whatever irks).

Back to the subject of hum, an idiot would know that it isn't the presenters fault but the engineers,
here's a clip showing the levels of the individual tunes etc. and the background hum, over a one hour segment.

The hum was caused by a combination of events, an open channel to an amp that was humming, and a SERIOUS earth loop, both of which were elementary electronic engineering problems solved every day in the real world.

Why don't the crew listen to suggestions ?

Maybe Lana you can get the 'Crew' to listen to the standard of broadcasting we are involved in at the BBC.
Listen to the BBC Coventry and Warwickshire
Bob Brolley is on air Monday to Friday 1pm to 4pm and Sunday 4pm to 7pm.

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